Hare Krsna to all
Pranams
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
Continuing along the way with exposing bogus gurus and their followers, we here below have
a very conclusive statement by Srila Prabhupada where he clearly explains that if one has a bogus
guru, then that persons "deity worship" is also bogus.
Hare Krsna
Damaghosa das
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701223SB.SUR Lectures
Devotee (3): In regard to worshiping arca-vigraha form, you have
explained that if one receives a mantra from a spiritual master who is
not bona fide, that mantra has no effect. So I would like to ask if
one is worshiping a Deity and his spiritual master is not bona fide,
so that Deity cannot be considered the Supreme Lord?Prabhupada: Well, first of all, thing is if the spiritual master is
not bona fide, how his mantra can be bona fide? Your statement is
contradictory. If you say the spiritual master is not bona fide, then
how his mantra becomes bona fide? If he is bona fide, then his mantra
is bona fide.
Devotee (3): Then why is he giving instruction to worship the Deity?
If the spiritual master is not bona fide, then is the Deity also not
bona fide?
Prabhupada: I do not follow. What does he say?
Tamala Krsna: His idea is that if one receives a mantra from a
spiritual master, if the spiritual master is not bona fide...
Prabhupada: Then there is no question of mantra. There is no question
of worshiping Deity. These are all bogus things. If you are not...
Just like here is a young medical man. If he has not received
instruction from a bona fide medical college, so what is the value of
Devotee (3): In regard to worshiping arca-vigraha form, you have
explained that if one receives a mantra from a spiritual master who is
not bona fide, that mantra has no effect. So I would like to ask if
one is worshiping a Deity and his spiritual master is not bona fide,
so that Deity cannot be considered the Supreme Lord?Prabhupada: Well, first of all, thing is if the spiritual master is
not bona fide, how his mantra can be bona fide? Your statement is
contradictory. If you say the spiritual master is not bona fide, then
how his mantra becomes bona fide? If he is bona fide, then his mantra
is bona fide.
Devotee (3): Then why is he giving instruction to worship the Deity?
If the spiritual master is not bona fide, then is the Deity also not
bona fide?
Prabhupada: I do not follow. What does he say?
Tamala Krsna: His idea is that if one receives a mantra from a
spiritual master, if the spiritual master is not bona fide...
Prabhupada: Then there is no question of mantra. There is no question
of worshiping Deity. These are all bogus things. If you are not...
Just like here is a young medical man. If he has not received
instruction from a bona fide medical college, so what is the value of
his medical, being... That is... What is called? What is the technical
name?
Devotee (4): Quack.
Prabhupada: Quack! (laughter) (pronounces like "quark")
Devotees: Quack.
Prabhupada: A quack is not a medical man, however he may show all red
bottles, white bottles. There is a Bengali proverb, naj jal yac curi
tini ei daktar.(?) One stethoscope, naj(?), and some bottles, jala,
and talking all nonsense, he becomes a doctor. That means the quack
doctor, not a... Qualified doctor, he knows what is what. So naj jal
yac curi tini ei daktar(?). In Bengali they say. And mostly in
villages they go on like that. But of course, they have got some
experience. I know in Allahabad there was a doctor, Kabhir, a Dr.
Kabhir. And because in my previous household life I was a chemist and
druggist, I was supplying medicine, so he was my customer. So he had
that... This Dr. Kabhir was a compounder. Later on he practiced. So he
had very, very big prac... He was my biggest customer. He was
purchasing medicine like anything. But he had experience. He learned
from an experienced doctor. He cannot be called a bogus, because
whatever he learned, he was... But generally, one who is not a bona
name?
Devotee (4): Quack.
Prabhupada: Quack! (laughter) (pronounces like "quark")
Devotees: Quack.
Prabhupada: A quack is not a medical man, however he may show all red
bottles, white bottles. There is a Bengali proverb, naj jal yac curi
tini ei daktar.(?) One stethoscope, naj(?), and some bottles, jala,
and talking all nonsense, he becomes a doctor. That means the quack
doctor, not a... Qualified doctor, he knows what is what. So naj jal
yac curi tini ei daktar(?). In Bengali they say. And mostly in
villages they go on like that. But of course, they have got some
experience. I know in Allahabad there was a doctor, Kabhir, a Dr.
Kabhir. And because in my previous household life I was a chemist and
druggist, I was supplying medicine, so he was my customer. So he had
that... This Dr. Kabhir was a compounder. Later on he practiced. So he
had very, very big prac... He was my biggest customer. He was
purchasing medicine like anything. But he had experience. He learned
from an experienced doctor. He cannot be called a bogus, because
whatever he learned, he was... But generally, one who is not a bona
fide doctor, he is called a quack. So anything, experience required,
not that you have to go to the medical college. If you are trained
under a bona fide doctor, then also you can get the quality of a
doctor. Similarly, the whole thing is tad-vijnanartham sa gurum
evabhigacchet. One should go to the bona fide spiritual master to
learn this transcendental science.
not that you have to go to the medical college. If you are trained
under a bona fide doctor, then also you can get the quality of a
doctor. Similarly, the whole thing is tad-vijnanartham sa gurum
evabhigacchet. One should go to the bona fide spiritual master to
learn this transcendental science.
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Follow bogus guru-you go to hell
SB 1.19.37 P The Appearance of Sukadeva Gosvami
Unless one is perfectly anxious to inquire about the way of perfection, there is no necessity of approaching a spiritual master. A spiritual master is not a kind of decoration for a householder. Generally a fashionable materialist engages a so-called spiritual master without any profit. The pseudo spiritual master flatters the so-called disciple, and thereby both the master and his ward go to hell without a doubt.
Unless one is perfectly anxious to inquire about the way of perfection, there is no necessity of approaching a spiritual master. A spiritual master is not a kind of decoration for a householder. Generally a fashionable materialist engages a so-called spiritual master without any profit. The pseudo spiritual master flatters the so-called disciple, and thereby both the master and his ward go to hell without a doubt.
72-12-14.Letter: Tusta Krsna
As for your next question, can only a few pure devotees deliver others, anyone, if he is a pure devotee he can deliver others, he can become spiritual master. But unless he on that platform he should not attempt it. Then both of them will to go to hell, like blind men leading the blind.
As for your next question, can only a few pure devotees deliver others, anyone, if he is a pure devotee he can deliver others, he can become spiritual master. But unless he on that platform he should not attempt it. Then both of them will to go to hell, like blind men leading the blind.
SB 6.7.14 Indra Offends His Spiritual Master, Brhaspati.
Leaders who have fallen into ignorance and who mislead people by directing them to the path of destruction [as described in the previous verse] are, in effect, boarding a stone boat, and so too are those who blindly follow them. A stone boat would be unable to float and would sink in the water with its passengers. Similarly, those who mislead people go to hell, and their followers go with them.
Leaders who have fallen into ignorance and who mislead people by directing them to the path of destruction [as described in the previous verse] are, in effect, boarding a stone boat, and so too are those who blindly follow them. A stone boat would be unable to float and would sink in the water with its passengers. Similarly, those who mislead people go to hell, and their followers go with them.
Isopanisad Mantra 12:
The Lord states that as soon as one reaches Him by devotional service-which is the one and only way to approach the Personality of Godhead-one attains complete freedom from the bondage of birth and death. In other words, the path of salvation from the material clutches fully depends on the principles of knowledge and detachment gained from serving the Lord. The pseudo religionists have neither knowledge nor detachment from material affairs, for most of them want to live in the golden shackles of material bondage under the shadow of philanthropic activities disguised as religious principles. By a false display of religious sentiments, they present a show of devotional service while indulging in all sorts of immoral activities. In this way they pass as spiritual masters and devotees of God. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative ācāryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession. They ignore the Vedic injunctionācāryopāsana-"One must worship the ācārya"-and Kṛṣṇa's statement in the Bhagavad-gītā (4.2) evaṁ paramparā-prāptam, "This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession." Instead, to mislead the people in general they themselves become so-calledācāryas, but they do not even follow the principles of the ācāryas.
These rogues are the most dangerous elements in human society. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gītā that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Bg. 16.19-20). Śrī Īśopaniṣad confirms that these pseudo religionists are heading toward the most obnoxious place in the universe after the completion of their spiritual master business, which they conduct simply for sense gratification.
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