Srila Prabhupada:"They're living in Naraka-kunda."

By: 

 Damaghosa das

Srila Prabhupada conversation June 6, 1976

Devotee: Because sadhana-bhakti is a gradual process, they immediately want the highest perfection quickly.
Srila Prabhupada: That is the danger. But if they at once go to rasa-lila, because they are not trained up neither they are liberated, they'll think this rasa-lila is just like our young boys, young girls mix   together, have sex like that. So it is supported our.... "Why should
we restrict to no illicit sex, no this, no rules and regulations? We  shall do all nonsense." That's all. And become a gopi. It is very good
to aspire to become high court judge, but how you can become high court judge without qualification? That they are not thinking. They
have no qualification, they have illicit sex, pregnant, going to abortion, and they're high court judge.
Devotee: They say Ajamila had no qualification and he just chanted.
Srila Prabhupada: Ajamila had no qualification. Therefore they should have no qualification.
Devotee: They say...
Srila Prabhupada: They say. Now you accept them as authority, "They say."  What is they? What they are?
Devotee: Ajamila's qualification was he thought of Krsna at the time  of death.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. But you cannot think.
Devotee: They want to think of the gopis at the time of death.
Devotee: Then practice.
Srila Prabhupada: What they will think of at the death, why you are conjecturing now? Their habits are rascal, they're making pregnant,
illicit sex, what they will think? Anyway, if we give indulgence to these people, then this preaching work will be hampered.
Devotee:  No, we're not going to do that.
Srila Prabhupada: Or they should be separated.  Otherwise, it will be bad example, and all restrictions will be broken.

Devotee: If they don't change their mentality, then they should live separately, do their own society.
Srila Prabhupada: And they'll do that. (japa) That sahajiya tendency is very  easy to take up.

Devotee: It seems like it's an inherent thing in...
Srila Prabhupada: Thinking of Radha-Krsna lila, that is in liberated stage,  not in the conditioned stage.

Devotee: I could never understand, Srila Prabhupada, why, I was always wondering why in all of your books you're always blasting so
much time on the sahajiyas, and I was not...

Devotee: He's thinking that this is a small group. Devotee: Yes, in India, but now I see it's an easy mentality for anyone's mind that can be adopted. That's why Srila Prabhupada was stressing.
Devotee: And as our movement gets more and more members, there will be more and more people who will be exhibiting this sahajiya tendency.
Devotee: That's why it's in every book Prabhupada speaks about it without fail.
Prabhupada: Anyway, keep your movement very pure. You don't mind if somebody goes away. Don't mind. But we must keep our principles pure.
Devotee: I always remember that you said that in the battle sometimes some men may be lost.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, that is natural.
Devotee: Natural. Of course we don't want to lose men, but it's natural.
Devotee: Srila Prabhupada, when the devotee is in the original relationship with Krsna, his siddha-deha, why is it that he sometimes
changes his original rasa with Krsna?

Srila Prabhupada: Hm?
Devotee: Each one of us has an original relationship with Krsna, some as plant, some as tree, some as cow, some as cowherd boy So if that is re-established, why should the devotee desire to change it?
Srila Prabhupada: Well, that is spiritual kingdom. You can change if you like.
Devotee: It is not static, Prabhupada once explained. Love is not   static.
Srila Prabhupada: Generally, it is not changed. Just like mother Yasoda, she's mother all the time, eternally.
Devotee: The question came in Bombay two or three years ago. Srila Prabhupada said that it is not static. You can have (inaudible).
Devotee: I always understood before that the rasa was fixed, but that within that rasa one may take different..., one may take a
different line.
Srila Prabhupada: That will be revealed when you are liberated. Why you are bothering now?
Devotee: That's the point. 

Srila Prabhupada:   A patient is thinking, "How shall I dance when I become healthy?" First of all, rascal, become healthy, then talk of all this.

The rascals are thinking like that. You are patient; first of all cure your disease, material disease. Then talk of all this. Utopian. "When
I will get rich, how I shall treat.... I shall.... Then my wife is disobedient and I shall kick her like this," (laughter) and as soon as
he kicked on the earthen pots, all broken. Then he, "Oh, then my....All prospects have gone." You know this story?
Devotee: What was in the pot?
Srila Prabhupada: That.... A potter, potter boy, he had got some earthen   pots selling. So he was dreaming, that "By selling this earthen pot,
I'll make so much profit. Then I shall purchase another batch, I shall make profit. In this way, I shall be millionaire. Then I shall marry,
and my wife must be very obedient. Otherwise I shall kick." So in this way, he kicked over the pots and (laughs) all of them broken.
Devotee: And in the end, nothing.
Srila Prabhupada: That's all.
Devotee: So by his dreaming he, he...
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, first of all be rich man, then do all things, how you shall kick your wife. This is going on. Caitanya Mahaprabhu said that
"My Guru Maharaja found Me rascal number one; therefore he ordered, 'You cannot study Vedanta. You chant Hare Krsna.' " They will not read this portion. That Caitanya Mahaprabhu, He posed Himself as a rascal.
Devotee: But they prefer to read about all the ecstatic symptoms on Caitanya Mahaprabhu's body
Srila Prabhupada: That's all right. That.... Be, first of all bona fide.  That is good ambition. But how this good ambition can fulfill when you
are a potter, poor man? Actually be rich, and then kick your wife. And without being rich, if you think all this nonsense, you're spoiling
time. (japa)
Devotee: Srila Prabhupada, some devotees, sometimes they feel that in ISKCON we're talking so much about the business of how to spread
Krsna consciousness, but we're not talking enough about Krsna's pastimes, krsna-katha, they say. So that's another reason why they
want to read all these pastimes.
Srila Prabhupada: Then let them read. What kind of krsna-katha? The krsna-katha test is as soon as he'll get the taste, he'll lose this
taste. That is the... What is this nonsense?
Devotee: Won't it purify them? That's what they say, "It will purify me."
Srila Prabhupada: What you are purified? You have become a, what is called, putrefied, not purified.

Devotees: Jaya, Prabhupada.
Devotee: You can become purified, and sometimes you can increase your...
Srila Prabhupada: No, no. You can read. Be purified. You can read. But where is your purification?
Devotee: Putrefaction.
Srila  Prabhupada: The books are there for reading. By reading, you become purified. (break) In 1935, our Guru Maharaja, Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, he went to Radha-kunda for karttika-vrata. So at that time he was reading Upanisads. So first of all, these babajis they were coming. Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati had come at Radha-kunda.   He's giving some class. So they used to come. But as soon as they saw that he was reading Upanisads, they stopped coming. They saw: "They  are jnanis, they are not bhaktas."
Devotee: What did they want to hear? Dasama-skandha?
Srila Prabhupada: Like that. So Prabhupada condemned them that "They are not
living in Radha-kunda They're living in Naraka-kunda." I heard it,  "They're living in Naraka-kunda."(means hell, not Vaikuntha)

Conclusions-

None of us are liberated souls, but simply simple aspiring bhaktas who are trying to become pure liberated souls.

And the proof is stated thrice above by Srila Prabhupada -- liberated stage one can know his own eteranl rasa or think of Radha Krishna lila, not before, otherwise you will become a sahajiya, or a cheap bhakta who has taken cheating to be truth.

Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu has told us to just chant Hare Krishna mantra--do that perfectly, no matter how many lifetimes it takes, THEN., we will become qualified to listen and enter into Radha Krishna lila, without becomming sahajiya bhaktas. And most importantly the real preaching work has been stopped all due to this sahajiya tendency. Therefore the ISKCON temples are devoid of Prabhupada's real disciples.

Prabhupada’s System of Deity Worship Has Been Changed

Some years ago, an older godbrother who had been initiated at the same time as myself by Hansadutta in 1978, came to visit from Vrindaban, where he had been residing (and resides there still). After Hansadutta was ousted from ISKCON and since the falldown of many ISKCON gurus since, for a time this devotee took shelter under a babaji there in the Holy Dham. Over the years he mixed with ISKCON gurus and devotees and those outside ISKCON as well, including Gaudiya Math devotees. When we were visiting Vrindaban, we wanted to place an order for deity dresses, and he came highly recommended for his beautiful designs, so we renewed our acquaintence with him in this way, and some time later, after we had relocated to a new address in Singapore and were preparing to worship Sri Sri Radha Govinda Gopal, he announced that he would be coming to Singapore for a visit and that he would perform a special fire sacrifice for our center.

Srila Prabhupada offering aratrik at ISKCON’s Krishna Balarama Mandir in Vrindaban.

So it was that he came to Singapore. One day, while we were offering aratrik, he pointed out that we were offering out of proper sequence. He remarked that this was also done all wrong in ISKCON, and that we should follow how it is done in the Gaudiya Math temples: first to Krishna, then to Radha, then to Lord Chaitanya, then to Nityananda, then back down through the parampara and finally to the spiritual master. The idea, he said, was that we cannot offer bhoga to the spiritual master; everything must be offered first to Krishna, and then after it has become prasadam, then only it is offered to the spiritual master.
We could not accept his advice, however, understanding from Srila Prabhupada’s books and instructions that in deity worship, as in everything that we undertake in devotional service, we have to remember and ask for the blessings of the parampara, beginning with the spiritual master, on up to his spiritual master, then to his spiritual master, all the way up to the lotus feet of the Supreme Lord. How is it posssible for us to directly approach Krishna? That idea goes against the basic principle of spiritual life, as taught by Srila Prabhupada.
Here are citations from Srila Prabhupada’s letters and lectures, showing what Srila Prabhupada taught:

Letter to Tamal Krsna, Los Angeles, 15 May 1970
So Krsna when He is with His brother and sister, He is Jagannatha, and when He is with His village girl-friends that is Radha-Krsna with Gopis. So Whomever you worship, it is the same, but if you like to worship Jagannanth you can continue it and it is as good as worshiping Radha-Krsna. Krsna has so many forms, and which ever form you worship it is all the same, but you should worship that form which you like most.
Regarding the means of worship, our Vaisnava process is first offer respects to the Spiritual Master, then Lord Caitanya, and then Lord Krsna. Vyasa is the Spiritual Master, therefore the Spiritual Master is the representative of Vyasa. Therefore the Spiritual Master’s seat is called “Vyasasana.”

Letter to Himavati, Los Angeles, 1 April 1970
Regarding taking Lord Jagannatha to your next center, that will not be very good because you already do not have enough devotees to engage in Arcana. Unless there is a Deity worshipper available, we may worship Panca-tattva and Guru. That can be done by all initiated students whether they are once or twice initiated. Before an altar with pictures of Lord Caitanya, Pancatattva and Acaryas, everyone can offer Aratrik and Bhoga.
Yes, it is nice that you are worshiping Lord Caitanya along with Radha Krsna. That is alright. Lord Caitanya should be placed to the right side of Krsna. There is nothing special for His worship, but you may continue as you are doing now. The order of worshiping is first Spiritual Master, and then Lord Caitanya, then Radha Krsna (as in the mantras or Bunde aham prayer).
Your confidence to do whatever you are instructed by the Spiritual Master is very encouraging. Yes, this is the method of the Vedic injunction, staunch faith in Spiritual Master and Krsna makes one perfect in spiritual understanding.

lecture, Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.10, Los Angeles, Jun 23, 1975
Therefore our first duty is to worship Caitanya Mahaprabhu. We keep the Deity. In the first we offer our obeisances to Caitanya Mahaprabhu along with His associate, and then, Guru-Gauranga, then we offer Radha-Krishna or Jagannatha.

lecture, Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.2.2, London, Aug 10, 1971
We begin from our first disciplic succession. Vande ‘ham sri-guroh sri-yuta-pada-kamalam sri-gurun vaishnavamsh cha. Vande ‘ham sri-guroh sri-yuta-pada-kamalam. “I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my guru, spiritual master.” Vande ‘ham sri-guroh sri-yuta-pada-kamalam sri-gurun vaishnavamsh cha. And then, his guru, his guru, his guru, they’re all Vaishnavas. Vande ‘ham sri-guroh sri-yuta-pada-kamalam sri-gurun vaishnavamsh cha. Sri-rupam. Then we offer respect to Sri Rupa Gosvami. Rupa Gosvami. Vande rupa-sanatanau raghu-yugau sri-jiva-gopalakau. All the Gosvamis, six Gosvamins. Vande rupa-sanatana… Sagraja. Sa agraja. Agraja means elder brother. Sanatana Gosvami was the elder brother of Rupa Gosvami, and Rupa Gosvami accepted him as his spiritual master. Sri-rupam sagrajatam saha-gana-raghunathanvitam. Associated by Raghunatha. There are two Raghunathas: Raghunatha dasa Gosvami and Raghunatha Bhatta Gosvami. Sa-jivam, with Jiva Gosvami. This is the process. Vande ‘ham sri-guroh sri-yuta-pada-kamalam sri-gurun vaishnavamsh cha sri-rupam sagrajatam saha-gana-raghunathanvitam tam sa-jivam. Then we go to Chaitanya Mahaprabhu’s status: sadvaitam savadhutam. That is also… First of all, Advaita Gosañi, then Nityananda Mahaprabhu, Prabhu. Mahaprabhu is applicable only to Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Others, all prabhus. Ekale ishvara krishna ara saba bhritya [Chaitanya-charitamrita Adi 5.142]. Krishna, and He has got innumerable servants. Krishna is Mahaprabhu, and all others, they are prabhus. And the spiritual master who has got many prabhus to abide by his order, he is addressed as Prabhupada. This is the system. So sadvaitam savadhutam parijana-sahitam krishna-chaitanya-devam. After offering all these obeisances to Gosvamis, to guru, and Advaita, Nityananda, then you come to Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Then Sri Radha. Not Krishna directly. Sri-radha-krishna-padan saha-gana-lalita-sri-vishakhanvitamsh cha. Radha-Krishna means they are always associated by the gopis, of whom Lalita-Vishakha are the chief out of the ashta-sakhis.
So this is the parampara system.

lecture, Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.2.4, Rome, May 28, 1974
This is the parampara system. As you get knowledge, step by step… Krishna is the original spiritual master, and then from Krishna, Lord Brahma learned the Vedic knowledge. Tene brahma hrida adi-kavaye [Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.1.1]. In the Bhagavata it is said that “Wherefrom Brahma got his knowledge?” Because whenever we want to get knowledge, we must approach a superior person to get knowledge. Tad-vijñanartham sa gurum eva abhigacchet [Mundaka Upanishad 1.2.12]. Guru means superior. So who was the superior person when Brahma got knowledge? Because there was no other creature. He is the first creature. Therefore it is said, “The superior person was Krishna, but He was not present.” We see, Krishna was present before Arjuna, but nobody was present before Brahma. Therefore it is said, tene brahma hrida adi-kavaye, hrida: “through the heart.” Because Krishna is situated in everyone’s heart. Actually, He is the spiritual master, chaitya-guru. So in order to help us, He comes out as physical spiritual master. And therefore sakshad-dharitvena sama… Spiritual master is representative of Krishna. Krishna sends some sincere devotee to act on His behalf, and therefore he is spiritual master.
So this is the parampara system. As you receive knowledge step by step… Narayana, Krishna, instructed Vyasadeva. Brahma, Brahma instructed Narada. Narada instructed Vyasadeva. Vyasadeva instructed his disciple Madhvacarya. In this way we have to go through also, in the same way. First of all, offer respect to the spiritual master, as he has done to Shukadeva Gosvami. Tam vyasa-sunum upayami gurum muninam. So then his spiritual master, then his spiritual master, then his spiritual master, then his spiritual master. Just like you have got the pictures. First of all, your spiritual master, then his spiritual master, then his spiritual master, his spiritual master, his spiritual master – ultimately Krishna. This is the process. Don’t try to approach Krishna directly, jump over. That is useless. As you receive knowledge through the steps, parampara system, similarly, we should approach Krishna through these steps.

Caitanya-Bhagavata Madhya Kanda, Ch 20, Text 6-9
TEXT: At that time Murari Gupta came there and offered obeisances at the lotus feet of the Lord. The greatly effulgent Murari Gupta next offered obeisances to Nityananda and then stood before Them. The Lord was very pleased with Murari, so He spoke to him without duplicity, “O Murari, what you have just done is not proper. You have transgressed etiquette while offering obeisances.
PURPORT: Murari Gupta offered obeisances first to Lord Gaurasundara and then to Lord Nityananda Prabhu. Objecting to the sequence of Murari Gupta’s obeisances, Mahaprabhu told him, “You have a misconception regarding Baladeva’s senior position and My own junior position. Especially since you are a devotee of Sri Balarama. The conclusion is that if the Supreme Lord is worshipped without first worshiping Sri Guru and Jagad Guru, the proper sequence is broken.” In common language there is a saying: ghoda dingaiya ghasa khaite nai—”One should not jump over the horse to eat the grass.” Without the mercy of Sri Guru, no one is qualified to serve the Supreme Lord.

Now, so many years later, we see that ISKCON centers have changed the process of deity worship, adopting the sequence that is practiced in Gaudiya Math temples. Not all ISKCON temples. Apparently ISKCON in Los Angeles is still offering in the order beginning with Srila Prabhupada on up through the parampara to Lord Chaitanya and then to Sri Sri Rukmini Dvarakadisa. Lately one Gaura Keshava das claims credit for ISKCON’s change in deity worship. He’s a disciple of Srila Prabhupada, and supposedly ISKCON GBCs and gurus have recognized his  knowledge of shastra, and have called on him to help counter rittvik propaganda and also to perform ghost-busting yajñas for ghostly-haunted gurus, among other duties. We recently received this email (dated 29 March 2009, in which Gaura Kesava mentions his role in ISKCON’s switcheroo:

…do we follow Srila Prabhupada’s personal example or the sastra that he gave us???
My contention is that we must follow the sastra that he has given us, and we must not imitate his personal example when it does not technically follow sastra.
So the system of arotik in all Gaudiya Vaisnava temples is to first pay obeisance to the guru and take his permission for worhshiping Lord Krsna. Then worship Krsna first and then Radha then Mahaprabhu and the guru parampara in descending (senior to junior) order, lastly the arotik items are to be offered to the assembled devotees. In ISKCON Srila Prabhupada instituted another order offering the items to the guru first. In this case the item cannot technically be offered afterwards to the Lord having first been enjoyed by the guru. This is technically not correct. Therefore we must in this case follow sastra and adapt our worship method to the one followed by all Vaisnava sampradayas. The doctrine or principle of worshiping the guru first is correct but the technicality of HOW that is to be done is incorrect.
By the way this system is followed in most temples in Europe where I standardized the deity worship in the 1980’s. It is not followed in some temples like LA because some Prabhupada disciples find it difficult to accept and they have no experience of the correct technical details as practiced in India.
sincerely
Gaura Keshava das

This is wrong. The guru does not “enjoy” the item for himself. We offer to him, because he is the via medium. The entire parampara is the via medium, transparent window to Sri Krishna. We cannot go before Krishna face to face and hand over directly to Him whatever it is we are trying to offer Him. We offer to the spiritual master, who passes it on to his spiritual master, who in turn passes it to his, and so on, all the way back up through the line of disciplic succession to Sri Krishna. If the spiritual master is a liberated person – and this is the verdict of shastra – then he is always situated in the mode of service, not enjoyment; he is free from desire for personal sense gratification or enjoyment, thinking only how to please his spiritual master and the Supreme Lord.
Moreover, we are confident that Srila Prabhupada has not contradicted shastra. His scholarship was unparalleled – throughout his books and lectures and conversations he freely cited passages from so many different sources – the Upanishads, Puranas, Vedanta Sutras, Srimad-Bhagavatam, Bhagavad-gita, Brahma-samhita, Chaitanya-charitamrita, Chaitanya Bhagavata, the writings of the Six Gosvamis – all of which were known and familiar to him. So to suggest that he did not know what was in shastra is ridiculous and impudent.
And then too, we have to bear in mind what Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati has said:

“Thakur Bhaktivinode” by His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur
What are the Scriptures? They are nothing but the record by the pure devotees of the Divine Message appearing on the lips of the pure devotees. The Message conveyed by the devotees is the same in all ages. The words of the devotees are ever identical with the Scriptures. Any meaning of the Scriptures that belittles the function of the devotee who is the original communicant of the Divine Message contradicts its own claim to be heard. Those who think that the Sanskrit language in its lexicographical sense is the language of the Divinity are as deluded as those who hold that the Divine Message is communicable through any other spoken dialects. All languages simultaneously express and hide the Absolute. The mundane face of all languages hides the Truth. The Transcendental face of all sound expresses nothing but the Absolute. The pure devotee is the speaker of the Transcendental language. The Transcendental Sound makes His appearance on the lips of His pure devotee.

We confess that we are not familiar with the shastra which Gaura Keshava thinks Srila Prabhupada has contradicted or has not followed. But we are familiar with Srila Prabhupada’s warning that the disciple should not think himself smarter than the spiritual master, that he should remain a fool before him. We wonder if Gaura Keshava is not fallen into the category of the smarta-brahmanas, those who are attached to the rules and regulations and flowery language of the Vedas but miss the principle of humble obedience and service to the pure devotee.

Morning Walk, Mayapur, Apr 8, 1975
A disciple is always in deficiency before his spiritual master. Just like Chaitanya Mahaprabhu says, guru more murkha dekhi karila shashana [Chaitanya-charitamrita Adi 7.71]: “My spiritual master saw Me a fool number one. Therefore he has chastised Me.” So disciple should be always ready to be chastised. He should not think that he has become perfect. That is perfection. So long he thinks that he is not perfect – he’s to be chastised – then he’s perfect. And as soon as he thinks that he has become perfect, he’s nonsense immediately, nonsense number one. [Break] …always to be chastised by the spiritual master for perfection. And if he thinks that now he has become perfect, then he’s a foolish. Chaitanya Mahaprabhu said, guru more murkha dekhi: “My spiritual master saw Me a fool number one.” Was He fool number one? He’s God Himself. But that is the position. He should remain always a fool number one, ready to be chastised. Then he’s perfect.

A disciple’s position is to simply accept Srila Prabhupada’s instructions and teachings as the yardstick for everything, and reject anything and anyone who does not agree with what Srila Prabhupada has spoken. If Gaura Keshava does not accept the absolute authority of Srila Prabhupada, but only that of shastras, then we have to conclude that he presumes to be more intelligent and more knowledgeable than Srila Prabhupada.
We are not going to follow such a person, for where he’s going is not where Srila Prabhupada is. As for ISKCON GBCs, who have implemented Gaura Keshava’s recommendations, either they have not read Srila Prabhupada’s books and letters or heard his lectures, or they do not have faith in them.
But then, we have to remember that all this talk of changing the deity worship took place around the time when Bhavananda was outed for having homosexual relations with various consenting adults as well as with gurukuli boys. Naturally the question came up whether his disciples should offer first to him or to Krishna and then to him, and it was decided (by ISKCON GBC) that he should not be offered bhoga, but only prasadam, for his own good. Later Bhavananda was demoted from guru status, but the policy remained for the other ISKCON gurus, just to keep them “safe”. So much for all that advertisement and self promotion about them being pure devotees and liberated souls.

We agree that the ISKCON gurus are not in a position to receive and pass on the offering up the parampara. Especially in light of their neglect and defiance of Srila Prabhupada’s instructions given in his letter of July 9th, 1977, wherein Srila Prabhupada designated eleven rittvik representatives of the Acharya to initiate disciples on his behalf “henceforward”. Srila Prabhupada did not appoint any of his disciples to become gurus or acharyas. So none of the ISKCON gurus were authorized by Srila Prabhupada to become gurus and take on disciples. How, then, can they represent Srila Prabhupada and the entire disciplic succession? How can they connect us to Srila Prabhupada when they have disregarded his arrangement and have not received the order from him to initiate?
But this does not mean that the process of deity worship must be changed. It means that devotees must get it straight who is representing the parampara. It means that devotees should be offering first to Srila Prabhupada.
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/

Fools Rush In Where Angels Fear to Tread

compiled by gaurangasundar dasa
Yes you can print one copy… Not for distribution….
They are not devotees… Liberated for going to hell.

Prabhupada: My Guru Maharaja wanted to publish Govinda-lilamrta. He asked permission of Bhaktivinoda Thakura. So first of all Bhaktivinoda Thakura, “I’ll tell you some day.” And when he reminded, he said, “Yes you can print one copy. If you are so much anxious to print it, print one copy. You’ll read and you will see that you have printed. Not for distribution .” So we are printing all these books for understanding properly. Not that “Here is Radha-kunda. Let us go.” Jump over like monkey. “Here is rasa-lila. Immediately…”
Acyutananda: Even in Krsna book rasa-lila should not be told in public.
Prabhupada: No, why? Krsna book must be there, in the book must be there.
Acyutananda: But in public…
Prabhupada: But you should go gradually. You should go gradually. You first of all understand Krsna, then krsna-lila. If you have not understood Krsna, then you’ll think Krsna’s rasa-lila is just like we mix with young women. And that becomes as polluted. Because they do not understand Krsna. Manusyanam sahasresu kascid yatati siddhaye yatatam api siddhanam. Krsna understanding so easy? If you do not understand Krsna how can you go to the Krsna’s confidential activities?
Acyutananda: Some of the devotees, they said that it is for liberated souls. So they said, “Well, we are all liberated.”
Prabhupada: Yes. Liberated for going to hell .
Devotee: In your Krsna book, Srila Prabhupada, you’ve given such clear explanations along with the stories of Krsna that it’s very difficult to misinterpret, because you use such clear explanation.
Prabhupada: No, you read all the books first of all. Then you’ll be able to understand.
Yasomatinandana: Even theoretical understanding that Krsna is transcendental will not help unless one…
Prabhupada: Because Krsna will lift, samaste, Krsna lifted the hill. Now how you can become equal with Krsna?
Devotee: Srila Prabhupada, what about if some devotees, I know they want to come to Vrndavana…
Prabhupada: Every devotee, they must follow the rules and regulations, that’s all.
Devotee: And engage in practical service to Krsna.

Prabhupada: Yes. Guru-mukha-padma-vakya cittete kariya aikya ara na kariha mane asa. Has he taken order from Guru Maharaja that “I am going to jump over Radha-kunda”? Why does he go? Daily singing, guru-mukha-padma-vakya cittete, ara na kariha. Why should he desire like that?

Gopala Krsna: There are some devotees who always want…

Prabhupada: They are not devotees. Rascals. Don’t say “some devotees.” Devotees will hear: guru-mukha-padma-vakya cittete kariya aikya ara na kariha mane.

[Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, August 16, 1976, Bombay]

There is no need to read such a high standard of transcendental literature

Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura comments in this connection that such feelings of separation as Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu enjoyed from the books of Vidyapati, Candidasa and Jayadeva are especially reserved for persons like Sri Ramananda Raya and Svarupa Damodara, who were paramahamsas , men of the topmost perfection, because of their advanced spiritual consciousness. Such topics are not to be discussed by ordinary persons imitating the activities of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu . For critical students of mundane poetry and literary men without God consciousness who are after bodily sense gratification, there is no need to read such a high standard of transcendental literature . Persons who are after sense gratification should not try to imitate raganuga devotional service. In their songs, Candidasa, Vidyapati and Jayadeva have described the transcendental activities of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Mundane reviewers of the songs of Vidyapati, Jayadeva and Candidasa simply help people in general become debauchees, and this leads only to social scandals and atheism in the world. One should not misunderstand the pastimes of Radha and Krsna to be the activities of a mundane young boy and girl. The mundane sexual activities of young boys and girls are most abominable. Therefore, those who are in bodily consciousness and who desire sense gratification are forbidden to indulge in discussions of the transcendental pastimes of Sri Radha and Krsna .

[Srila Prabhupada from Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila 13.42 ]


Tamala Krsna.: Pradyumna. Pradyumna is carrying out a single-handed investigation. Pradyumna has become an investigator. He goes around everywhere (laughs) investigating the sahajiyas. I hope he doesn’t become won over.
Prabhupada: He was.
Tamala Krsna:. Yes, I know, that’s why he’s doing it. He was once like that.
Prabhupada: He was smarta.
Ramesvara: Pandita, you used to call him pandita.
Tamala Krsna: Sometimes Prabhupada would tell him he was a smarta.
Ramesvara: He’s always carrying an armful of books.
Prabhupada: Smarta is also counted amongst the sahajiyas.
Tamala Krsna: He was really…. That’s another problem, Prabhupada. All of these boys that take part in this Sanskrit-Bengali translation department, they all become like this, because they read these other books. As soon as they learn Bengali and Sanskrit, they start reading so many books.
Prabhupada: Aula baula, karttabhaja, neda, daravesa, sani sahajiya, sakhibheki, smarta, jata-gosani. They are all counted in one group.
Tamala Krsna: One thing I’ve noticed, Srila Prabhupada, and I see it as a direct link, that most of these people who get involved like this, they’re not engaged in active preaching work, and because of it, their mind has time to create these fantasies and get attracted. Someone who’s engaged in forcefully preaching…
Ramesvara: He has to be more practical.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. Practical and purified by the activity. Have you noticed that? That these people who are engaged, they’re all in the Press, or all day writing, or something like this.

[Srila Prabhupada from a Morning Walk, June 7, 1976, Los Angeles]



One should not associate with these apa-sampradaya communities.

In the parampara system, the instructions taken from the bona fide spiritual master must also be based on revealed Vedic scriptures. One who is in the line of disciplic succession cannot manufacture his own way of behavior . There are many so-called followers of the Vaisnava cult in the line of Caitanya Mahaprabhu who do not scrupulously follow the conclusions of the sastras, and therefore they are considered to be apa-sampradaya, which means “outside of the sampradaya.” Some of these groups are known as aula, baula, kartabhaja, neda, daravesa, sani sahajiya, sakhibheki, smarta, jata-gosani, ativadi, cudadhari and gauranga-nagari. In order to follow strictly the disciplic succession of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, one should not associate with these apa-sampradaya communities.

[Srila Prabhupada from Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila 7.48]


No learned man should be willing to hear a person who does not represent the original acarya

TRANSLATION: On hearing Suta Gosvami speak thus, Saunaka Muni, who was the elderly, learned leader of all the rsis engaged in that prolonged sacrificial ceremony, congratulated Suta Gosvami by addressing him as follows.

PURPORT: In a meeting of learned men, when there are congratulations or addresses for the speaker, the qualifications of the congratulator should be as follows. He must be the leader of the house and an elderly man. He must be vastly learned also. Sri Saunaka Rsi had all these qualifications, and thus he stood up to congratulate Sri Suta Gosvami when he expressed his desire to present Srimad-Bhagavatam exactly as he heard it from Sukadeva Gosvami and also realized it personally. Personal realization does not mean that one should, out of vanity, attempt to show one’s own learning by trying to surpass the previous acarya. He must have full confidence in the previous acarya, and at the same time he must realize the subject matter so nicely that he can present the matter for the particular circumstances in a suitable manner.

The original purpose of the text must be maintained. No obscure meaning should be screwed out of it, yet it should be presented in an interesting manner for the understanding of the audience. This is called realization. The leader of the assembly, Saunaka, could estimate the value of the speaker, Sri Suta Gosvami, simply by his uttering yathadhitam and yatha-mati, and therefore he was very glad to congratulate him in ecstasy. No learned man should be willing to hear a person who does not represent the original acarya. So the speaker and the audience were bona fide in this meeting where Bhagavatam was being recited for the second time. That should be the standard of recitation of Bhagavatam, so that the real purpose can be served without difficulty. Unless this situation is created, Bhagavatam recitation for extraneous purposes is useless labor both for the speaker and for the audience.

[Srila Prabhupada from Srimad Bhagavatam 1.4.1]

“It is important that we preach the message of Krishna consciousness EXACTLY as we have heard it from OUR spiritual master. The same philosophy and spirit must be there.” (Letter to Sivanananda dated 1-23-69)