Tuesday, 29 November 2011

Guru Tattva

 compiled by gaurangasundar dasa

Must be uttama-adhikari who can never fall down       
“One should not become a spiritual master unless he has attained the platform of uttama-adhikari .” (The Nectar of Instruction, text 5, purport)

“There is no possibility that a first-class devotee will fall down, even though he may mix with non-devotees to preach. Conviction and faith gradually increase to make one an uttama-adhikari, a first-class devotee.” (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila 22.71, purport)

Must be mahabhagavata
“When one has attained the topmost position of maha-bhagavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshipped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.” (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila 24.330, purport)

Must be liberated soul
“It is to be understood that the conditioned soul is tightly tied by the ropes of illusion. [...] Because the bound cannot help the bound, the rescuer must be liberated. Therefore, only Lord Krishna, or His bona fide representative the spiritual master, can release the conditioned soul.” (Bhagavad-gita As It Is 7.14, purport, 1972 ed.)

Does not deviate at all
“A bona fide spiritual master is in the disciplic succession from time eternal, and he does not deviate at all from the instructions of the Supreme Lord [...]”
(Bhagavad-gita As It Is, 4.42, purport)

Receives direct dictation from Lord Krishna
“A spiritually advanced person who acts with authority, as the spiritual master, speaks as the Supreme Personality of Godhead dictates from within. Thus it is not he that is personally speaking. When a pure devotee or spiritual master speaks, what he says should be accepted as having been directly spoken by the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the parampara system.”
(Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Antya-lila 5.71, purport)

“You are correct when you say that when the Spiritual Master speaks it should be taken that Krishna is speaking. That is a fact. A Spiritual Master must be liberated.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, June 10th, 1969)

Prabhupada: “Yes, because a devotee always consults Krishna and He gives order.”
Interviewer: “It’s a more direct communication.”
Prabhupada: “Yes. And He gives order [...] Krishna will tell directly. A devotee always consults Krishna and Krishna tells him, “do like this.” Not figuratively [...] a devotee does not do anything without consulting Krishna.” (Interview, July 14th, 1976)

Always embraced by Krishna
“[...] Such an acarya, or spiritual master, should be considered nondifferent from Krishna—that is, he should be considered the incarnation of Lord Krishna’s potency. Such a personality is krsnalingita-vigraha—that is, he is always embraced by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna [...] He is the guru, or spiritual master, for the entire world, a devotee on the topmost platform, the maha-bhagavata stage, and a paramahamsa-thakura, a spiritual form only fit to be addressed as paramahamsa or thakura.” (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila 25.9, purport)

Resident of the spiritual world
“Unless one is a resident of Krishna Loka, one cannot be a Spiritual Master. That is the first proposition. A layman cannot be a Spiritual Master, and if he becomes so then he will simply create disturbance [...] So to summarize the whole thing, it is to be understood that a bona fide Spiritual Master is a resident of Krishna Loka.” (Srila Prabhupada Letter, June 10th, 1969)

Identified with God Himself
“`One should understand the Spiritual Master to be as good as I am,’ said the Blessed Lord [...] `the Spiritual Master is the sum total of all demigods.’ That is, the acarya has been identified with God Himself.” (Srila Prabhupada Lecture, February 1936)

Body is completely spiritual
“The spiritual master, or acarya, is always situated in the spiritual status of life. Birth, death, old age and disease do not affect him [...] therefore, after the disappearance of an acarya, his body is never burnt to ashes, for it is a spiritual body. The spiritual body is always unaffected by material conditions.” (Srimad-Bhagavatam 10.4.20, purport)

Empowered to act as he likes
“The conclusion is that a spiritual master who is authorized and empowered by Krishna and his own guru should be considered as good as the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself. That is the verdict of Visvanatha Cakravarti: saksad-dharitvenasa. [...] As Hari is free to act as He likes, the empowered spiritual master is also free. As Hari is not subject to mundane rules and regulations, the spiritual master empowered by Him is also not subject.” (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila 10.136, purport)

Guru Tattva - The Big Picture

Damaghosa Dasa, Seattle, USA
1) Just like Krsna can be present simultaneously in millions of places, similarly the spiritual master also can be present wherever the disciple wants. A spiritual master is the principle, not the body. Just like a television can be seen in thousands of places by the principle or relay monitoring.(letter may 28 1968)
So in this statement it is very clear that Srila Prabhupada is telling us in this "big picture quote" that  the bona fide guru is NOT that physical body, but thru some physical body or NO body he can act just like TV is seen in thousands of places. So this one quote alone destroys the "living guru" nonsense idea.You  cannot show me one quote anywhere where he says you need a physically living diksa guru. But here, he clearly tells us that the guru is NOT the body but a principle. Not only does the bona fide guru not need a physical body to deliver Krsna, but he can appear wherever the disciple wants or needs him to. The guru is the principle not the body clearly is telling us that the Divine spirit of God can be experienced thru the disciplic sucession, whether in a physical body or no physical body. Otherwise how could so many thousands of disciples who never saw Prabhupada receive inspiration on a daily basis? And this inspiration goes on even after he physically has left our mortal material vision thru divine sound. And how could these thousands also receive diksa without the presence of a physical body in front of them and the sacred fire? Again, "spiritual master is not the body, but the principle." And that "principle" is what is living not the body.
2)  a."The potency of transcendental sound is never minimized because the vibrator is absent.(SB 2.9.8)
     b.So we should associate by vibration and not by the physical presence. That is real association. (SPL aug 18,1968)
     c.Threfore we should take advantage of the vani, not the physical presence, because the vani continues to exist eternally. (Nov 4, 1975)
These three statements clearly show which is more important , the guru in a physical form or the guru in the presence of Transcendental SOUND. And there are many more just like these.
3) Regarding parampara system: there is nothing to wonder for big gaps. Just like we belong to the Brahma Sampradaya, so we accept it from Krishna to Brahma, Brahma to Narada, Narada to Vyasadeva, Vyasadeva to Madhva, and between Vyasadeva and Madhva there is a big gap. But it is sometimes said that Vyasadeva is still living, and Madhva was fortunate enough to meet him directly. In a similar way, we find in the Bhagavad-gita that the Gita was taught to the sungod, some millions of years ago, but Krishna has mentioned only three names in this parampara system--namely, Vivasvan, Manu, and Iksvaku; and so these gaps do not hamper from understanding the parampara system. We have to pick up the prominent acaryas, and follow from him. There are many branches also from the parampara system, and it is not possible to record all the branches and sub-branches in the disciplic succession. We have to pick up from the authority of the acharya in whatever sampradaya we belong to.
Letter to Dayananda - San Francisco 12 April, 1968
So in this letter again we find Srila Prabhupada explaining the "big picture". Your lost in some city, but if you know where you should be, you just ask people, especially those who would know, how do I get to this place/person? Once Prabhupada disappears to our mortal vision, this is not a problem for future generations, because they only have to pick up the most recent prominent acarya and follow him.And if he is prominent, he will NOT be hard to find.  Very simple and very clearly explained. Srila Prabhupada is the most recent  prominent acarya, therefore we must follow him for that alone is sufficient for our spiritual lives. Even Christians today can become disciples of Christ if they follow him and his teachings--Prabhupada
clearly explained this in Seattle back in 1968. But you will never find a Christian priest today claiming he has been ordered by Jesus to accept new disciples. But the priests DO accept and teach new disciples in the NAME of Jesus. And everyone accepts and understands it is JESUS who is the one who is taking their sins, and delivering them.  
4) Reporter (2): What will happen to the movement in the United States
when you die?
Prabhupada: I will never die.
Devotees: Jaya! Hari bol! (laughter)
Prabhupada: I shall live for my books, and you will utilize.
Reporter (2): Are you training a successor?
Prabhupada: Yes, my Guru Maharaja is there. Where is my photo of Guru
Maharaja? I think... Here is.
So again here Srila Prabhupada explains the  spiritual master is the principle, not the body idea of what and who is Guru. Otherwise how do you explain how the movement can go on since he is telling us he will never die, but live from his books which all of us will utilize-eternally if need be. The problem arises when the foolish neophyte disciples "kill the guru" by trying to take his place. And so ends the disciplic sucession,at that point because nobody can become guru unless he is authorized and qualified.
The movement will continue, if for nothing else, simply because of Prabhupadas books And in the above, he says, the successor is his guru maharaj (not even him, taking the humble position) And Why is  Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaj the successor? Because he is the most recent prominent link in the param para. Our Prabhupada is just being humble here and giving all credit for the continuance to his guru maharaj. 
5) Why this Gaudiya Matha failed? Because they tried to become more than guru. He, before passing away, he gave all direction and never said that "This man should be the next acarya." But ... the failure. They never thought, "Why Guru Maharaja gave us instruction so many things, why he did not say that this man should be acarya?" They wanted to create artificially somebody ... with common sense that if Guru Maharaja wanted to appoint somebody as acarya, why did he not say? He said so many things, and this point he missed? The real point?
And they insist upon it. They declared some unfit person to become acarya. Then another
Room Conversation - August 16, 1976, Bombay
This is a very clear explanation of what NOT to do after our acarya leaves our vision. If you want to fail, then appoint, elect, create an acarya board, etc or whatever you fantasize, but none of it will work. Why not? Because none of these things were the order of Srila Prabhupada. Also important in this statement is the idea that Srila  Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaj would not leave this world AND leave the continuation of his Gaudiya matha UNCLEAR to his disciples. And because  Srila Prabhupada is bringing up this point, then why would HE also leave the continuation of HIS movement UNCLEAR?? Prabhupada never left anything unclear and would ask his disciples several times in a conversation --"Is that clear"? So this most important thing, "THE REAL POINT" how the movement would go on, he left --THIS UNCLEAR?? What an absurd idea and proposition.
6) 23.  If everyone just initiates then there will only be a contradictory result. As long as it goes on there will be only failure.
Phalguna Krishna Pancami 
This is what we have going on right now--anybody who can gather by threats, by politics or  bribes of prasadam, enough votes from the GBC, he or she can be elected as GURU of iskcon. Wheres the "tradition" for this action? So the Gaudiya matha failed for this reason. Failed means not having some buildings to "show" a Deity, but failed means- the  vigorous preaching activity stopped.  And why did the preaching stop?
Because men who were less than neophytes or kanistha at best, occupied the seat meant for Uttama adhikaris. When people win the lottery, most of the time, this huge increase in wealth ruins their personal lives. Why? Because they are not ready for it, nor know how to handle Laxsmi, so because their hearts are unclean, this wealth and prestige takes them down the road to hell. Where is the magnificent  original 11 today? This is why Srila Prabhupada warned his Godbrothers and us his disciples and followers today, NOT to take this path of "thinking" we are qualified to take on karma and deliver souls back to Godhead without the qualifications. The result is only FAILURE,as he says, as we have sadly seen.
7) ..He never recommended anyone to be acarya of the Gaudiya Math. But Sridhara Maharaja is responsible for disobeying this order of Guru Maharaja, and he ... the acarya is being changed three times a year. Therefore we may not commit the same mistake in our ISKCON camp. Actually amongst my Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acarya....
Letter to Rupanuga - Tirupati 28 April,1974
How can Srila Prabhupada make this any more clear?? Only personal ambition can cloud the proper understanding of these crystal clear words from our Acarya.
8) Satsvarupa: By the votes of the present GBC. Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you're no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted. Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acaryas.
Tamala Krsna: Is that called rtvik-acarya?
Prabhupada: Rtvik, yes
Conversation - May 28th, 1977, Vrindavana
So here a one pointed question is asked of Srila Prabhupada-what will happen in the future when you are no longer with us?? He clearly states, he wants disciples to act, just like priests do in the Christian religion, as brahmanas do in the Ramanuja and Madhva sampradayas today, as representatives of him the Acarya of the Hare Krsna Movement, called iskcon. This is called ritviks or priests. And these ritviks are the same devotees who were doing the exact same activity as they were doing before Prabhupada called them "ritviks" in this conversation.  The only difference is that nobody knew or heard of this word-ritvik at that time. The actions of the ritviks were to be the exact same actions they were doing before when initiating new candidates all over the world on BEHALF of Srila Prabhupada.
The only difference now is that eveyone knew what their TITLE was--a ritvik priest who acts on behalf of the Acarya. That is the only difference
9) I wish that each and every Branch shall keep their independent identity and cooperate keeping the Acarya in the centre. on this principle we can open any number of branches....
Letter to Kirtanananda - San Francisco 11 February, 1967
This is a very instructive letter given to us because Prabhupada is not only telling us how to continue his movement spiritually, but also how to organize it on the mundane level in relation to government and financial problems which could arise in the future. If the whole Hare Krsna movement was consolidated as one huge corporation, then the failure of one could bring financial ruin to all temples. Therefore, this insturction is given. Practical and spiritual all in one.  Maximum solution minimum words. He never said each temple could have several acaryas/gurus because that is what happened to his old Gaudiya matha, and they failed. So why would he duplicate a failed policy in his movement? He didnt and thats why we have this instruction. And not only that, but the movement would GROW by this method as more temples could be added to the movement IF the acarya was in the center.
10) .... When one has attained the topmost position of maha-bhagavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.
Caitanya Critamrita, Madhaya-lila 24.330
How can anybody but an uttama adhikari even think of becomming guru? Only if he or she is a CHEATER. We have all read this quote, but what "gurus" in iskcon follows it? None of them. Another side point is that an actual bona fide guru, pure devotee NEVER really wants this post, and has to be asked or demanded to take up the position. Jesus Christ asked Krsna to remove this cup(austerity) from him. Srila Prabhupada had Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaj appear several times to him in dreams to take sannyasa and take up this mission of preaching. Prabhupada said  he was "horrified", because why? He KNEW, just as did Christ, the responsibility connected to this task. But for foolish devotees who have no idea of the mountain of sins they will have to incur and suffer for, and who dont possess the spiritual power to nullify these sins, for them, all they "see" is "profit, adoration ,and distinction" as gurus--all massive pitfalls on the road to Vaikuntha.
So these motivated individuals bypas this important instruction and like King Paundraka did, "assume" the title of acarya, by falsely "thinking" they are qualified
11) All Temple Presidents In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee's initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives,[ritviks] Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada by giving a
spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done. The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting
as His representative.
After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he
can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has acceted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace's "Initiated Disciples" book.
Letter to al GBC, all TP - Vrindavana 9 July, 1977
So in conclusion to this paper, we have included  just one of many documents in letter form which Srila Prabhupada sent out to his leading disciples worldwide regarding how to continue the process of initiations after he departed from us. It is clear english, and anybody who reads this letter and several others  like it, will honestly conclude that this DOCUMENT is very important as to how the Hare Krsna Movement would continue. This document is only one way Srila Prabhupada made the point the REAL POINT (as mentioned above) how he wanted things to continue. He was to be the acarya, and he would continue to initiate into the future new disciples after he was physically gone. I have included the above quotes to substantiate this final document. The above mentioned quotes give the principle of guru tattva, and this letter gives the physical details of HOW it was to be done. 
12) The Liberation of Sarvabhauma Bhattacary  In this verse from Srimad-Bhagavatam (11.22.4), the Supreme Personality of Godhead explains that His illusory energy can perform the impossible; such is the power of the illusory energy. In many cases philosophical speculators have covered the real truth and have boldly set forth false theories. In ancient times philosophers like Kapila, Gautama, Jaimini, Kanada and similar brahmanas propounded useless philosophical theories, and in modern days so-called scientists are setting forth many false theories about the creation, backed up by seemingly logical arguments. This is all due to the influence of the Supreme Lord's illusory energy. The illusory energy, therefore, sometimes appears correct because it is emanating from the Supreme Correct. To avoid the very bewildering illusory influence, one must accept the words of the Supreme Personality of Godhead as they are. Only then can one escape the influence of the illusory energy.
Caitanya Critamrita, Madhaya-lila 6.109

Hare Krsna

Iskcon Mumbai Offending Srila Prabhupada And The Parampara

Gaurangasundar dasa
Recenty I was at iskcon temple mumbai, and was shocked to see the books that were being sold at the bookstall.
To name a few.
1)Krsnahnika Kaumudi(asta-kaliya-lila)
2)Sri Sankalpa-Kalpadruma
3)Sri Madhava-Mahotsava
4)Bhavanasara Sangraha(detailed asta-kaliya-lila,compiled by sri siddha Krishnadasa of govardhan,he not even comes in our parampara)
5)Lalita-Madhava etc…..many more such books.
The point is that any ordinary person can purchase these books. These books contain very esoteric topic meant  for elevated devotees. None of our acharyas spoke or encouraged such topics to be discussed even among devotees. Making such books available for karmis to purchase at the bookstall is the greatest offence to Srila Prabhupada and the Parampara. Below are few interesting quotes in this regard.
What general people will understand about Radha-Krishna Lila? Immediately they will take it as ordinary boys and girls in spite of a thousand warnings. (Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Satsvarupa ,London 13 December, 69-12-13)
“Without serving Krishna according to the vidhi-märga regulative principles of the päncarätrika-vidhi, unscrupulous persons want to jump immediately to the räga-märga principles. Such persons are called sahajiyä. There are also demons who enjoy depicting Krishna and His pastimes with the gopis, taking advantage of Krishna by their licentious character. These demons who print books and write lyrics on the räga-märga principles are surely on the way to hell. Unfortunately, they lead others down with them. Devotees in Kåñëa consciousness should be very careful to avoid such demons. One should strictly follow the vidhi-märga regulative principles in the worship of Laksmi-Näräyana, although the Lord is present in the temple as Rädhä-Krishna. Rädhä-Krishna includes Laksmi-Näräyana; therefore when one worships the Lord according to the regulative principles, the Lord accepts the service in the role of Laksmi-Näräyana”.( TEXTS 45-46 purport.SB:4.24.)
Regarding the article suggested by Rayarama, you are correct in your doubts that Radha-Krishna lila should not be discussed in Back To Godhead. In the Srimad-Bhagavatam there are so many philosophical discussions and we should concentrate on these philosophical aspects. Otherwise the less intelligent will surely understand Radha-Krishna lila as simply nonsense boy and girl sex life. Hanuman Prasad Poddar and company are all mundane types and they have no entrance into actual spiritual activities. Superficially they pose themselves as great devotees, but we can feel their pulse; ultimately they are impersonalists. We should not depend upon writings from such unauthorized sources.
Strictly we should avoid publishing these confidential topics in Back To Godhead. This is dangerous for the conditioned soul. Although such Krishna lila can do some good to the mundane people in the long run, to understand the philosophical aspects of Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam in the beginning is essential and will make for good stride in spiritual life. I do not know why Rayarama has asked you to send such article. It is not to my sanction. We shall be very careful about mundane sex life. That is the pivot center of conditioned life. You are intelligent enough and I hope that Krishna will help you in these matters. (Los Angeles 31 December, 68-12-31, letter to Satsvarupa )
In the above quotes Srila Prabhupada is making some very interesting points 
1)Such elevated books are not meant for distribution to ordinary people.
2)Any one who publishes and distributes these book will go to hell.
3)Premature reading of these book by devotees  will create havoc in  their spiritual lives.
"Those who have chanted 64 rounds for fifteen or twenty years should know such things. The beginners need not hear these topics or they will misunderstand. These topics are for certain audiences, not for all”(Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura)
Here Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura is clearly telling that even devotees should not read or hear such elevated topics, what to speak of normal karmis. According to the above quote iskcon devotees who are chanting 16 rounds everyday will be qualified in some 60yrs.
I personally know a person who purchased and is reading “Bhavanasara Sangraha”even though he is not chanting 16 rounds and is eating onions.
acaryera mata yei, sei mata sara tanra ajna langhi’ cale, sei ta’ asara
"The order of the spiritual master is the active principle in spiritual life. Anyone who disobeys the order of the spiritual master immediately becomes useless." (Adi-lila, 12.10)
Our parampara does not approve of publishing, distributing and reading such high books. Let us follow Srila Prabhupada and the previous acharyas or risk of becoming “ useless”.
Many brahmacaris and congregation devotees are also reading and discussing these books secretly. I just hope another “gopi bhava club” is not in the making,
“In spite of this, a group of his disciples—perhaps twenty-five women and an equal number of men—began meeting surreptitiously to read the portions of Caitanya-caritamrta that describe Radha and Krishna’s intimate pastimes. News of the ‘gopi-bhava club’ reached Prabhupäda during his visit to Los Angeles in June 1976. Summoning the available GBC members and sannyasis, Prabhupäda ordered an investigation. He expressed grave concern that such meetings, if allowed to go unchecked, would lead to illicit activities, thus thwarting the preaching mission.
The club leaders appeared before Prabhupäda explaining that they were not trying to imitate Radha and Kåñëa’s love affairs but simply studying the descriptions in order to develop such desires. Prabhupäda’s lips quivered with anger: ‘First deserve, then desire! So long as there is any pinch of material desire there is no question of desiring on the spiritual platform!’”
“Jaya Govinda was correct in his observation that Radha-Krishna Pastimes should not be discussed at the present time. Unless one is highly elevated in spiritual understanding it is risky to discuss these Pastimes. Caitanya Mahaprabhu never discussed Radha-Krishna Lila with ordinary persons. We have so many other things to discuss; what is the soul, what is bhakti.”. (Los Angeles 22 July, 69-07-22 letter to Sivananda)
A few important excerpts from Prakrta-rasa Sata-dusani ( by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura)  are presented here:
anartha thakara kale rasa-gana kore na
anartha thakara kale siddhi-labdha bole na

"While still contaminated with anarthas, one should never sing songs glorifying transcendental mellows. As long as these impediments remain, one should never state that siddhi has been attained."
anartha thakara kale lila-gana kore na
anartha-nivrtti-kale nama jada bole na

"While still contaminated with anarthas, one should never sing songs about the Lord's confidential pastimes. After these impediments are purified (anartha-nivrtti), one never speaks of the Holy Name of Krsna as if it were a mundane sound vibration."
adhikara avicara rupanuga kore na
anartha-anvita dase rasa-siksa deya na

"The followers of Srila Rupa Goswami are never neglectful in assessing anyone's spiritual qualifications. The followers of Srila Rupa Goswami never instruct a servant who is engrossed in material impediments about the science of intimate devotional mellows."
asakta komala-sraddhe rasa-katha bole na
anadhikarire rase adhikara deya na

"A devotee should never speak on the topics of devotional mellows to one who has weak, pliable faith. A devotee should never attempt to bestow the qualification for rasa upon one who is unqualified to receive it."
vaidha-bhakta-jane kabhu raganuga jane na
komala-sraddhake kabhu rasika to' jane na

"Devotees who are still on the platform of following regulated scriptural injunctions (vaidha-bhaktas) cannot yet understand anything about the exalted stage of the raganugas, practitioners of spontaneous devotional service. Those who possess weak faith cannot yet understand the realm of the rasikas, relishers of pure transcendental mellows."
svalpa-sraddha-jane kabhu jata-rati mane na
svalpa-sraddha-jane rasa upadesa kore na

"Those who possess little faith are never recognized as being highly developed in loving devotional attachment. Those who possess little faith are never to be instructed in topics concerning transcendental mellows."
anartha-visista sisye rasa-tattva bole na
"The disciple who is still contaminated with these impediments (anarthas) is never taught the science of intimate devotional mellows (rasa-tattva)."
jata-rati prauda-sraddha-sanga tyaga kore na
komala-sraddhere kabhu rasa diya seve na

"When spiritual attachment (rati) is manifest, one never leaves the company of those endowed with advanced faith. If immature devotees with pliable faith are presented with a devotional mellow, they will never be able to properly serve it."
nama krpa na korile lila suna jaya na
"Without first receiving the mercy of the Holy Name, one should never listen to recitations of Krsna's confidential pastimes."
vyavahita lila-gane kama dura haya na
aparadha-vyavadhane siddha-deha paya na

"One who is covered by offenses may sing the pastimes of the Lord, but this will never do away with the lust burning in his heart. By the blockage of offenses, one's eternal spiritual body (siddha-deha) will never be attained."
In the following letters, appearing in the book Prabhupader Patravali, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura clearly defines the path to attain raga-marga:
apnara patre sastra-sara-sangraha darsana kariya badi ananda labha karilam. ei sakala katha cinte bala kariya alocana karilai janite pariben ye, alaya haite jata trancade paka-buddhi prakrta prastabe phala-pradane asamartha haya / amara ksudra jiva, vidhi-pather pathik; tabe rager virodhi nahi / rager katha bada, tabe amader mukhe uha sobha paya na / chota mukhe bada katha sunile bhajananuragi-gana hasya kariya udaiya diben /
krsna ki vastu, taha yahara upalabdhi haya nai, tahara anuraga-pathe unnatadhikara praptir cesta — alasya jnapak; ihai mahajana-gana pade pade boliyacen /
sri bhagavan-nama u bhagavan eki vastu / yahader nijer bandavicare nama-namite bheda buddhi acche, tahader anartha-nivrttir janya bhajana-kusala janer seva kara nitasta avasyka; iha dekhaibar janya sri gaurasundarer parsad-bhakta-gana taha varnana karen / totapathir nyaya amara yadi uha audayite yai, taha haile loke amadigke 'prakrta-sahajiya' baliya nirdesa purvaka amader atmastarita kamaiya dibe / prakrta sahajiya-gana ei rupa durgatipakse duriya giyacche baliya sei sakala 'panke gauriva sidati' dalke raganuga bhaktir mahima pradarsana karite haile svayam bhajanacatura haiya apararer mangala vidhana karite haya / sutaram likhita kathaguli apani bhalo kariya bujhibar yatna kariben / 'bhajana' bahirer va loka dekhaibar vastu nahe / ucchaihsvare hari-nama kariben, taha haile alasyarupa bhoga amadigke grasa karite paribe na /
"I was extremely glad to see in your letter the very gist of all the sayings of sastra! After deliberating over the matter nicely in your heart you will find out that precocious thinking born of laziness can bear no real fruit. We are tiny jivas, traversing the path of vidhi, yet we are not inimical to raga. Raga-katha is high, but in our small mouth it doesn't look nice. Hearing such high words from our little mouth, devotees whose life and soul is bhajana will laughingly push us away.
Having no idea of Who is Krsna, one's trying to raise oneself up onto the path of raga exposes his laziness; Mahajanas proclaim this on every step.
Sri Bhagavan and the Name of Bhagavan are one entity. One who has conditioned perception of difference between nama and nami is utterly required to serve devotees accomplished in bhajana for rectification of one's anarthas; to demonstrate this, the eternal associates of Sri Gaurasundara have described the kind of bhajana such devotees engage in. If we go to repeat it like parrots, people will designate us as 'prakrta-sahajiyas' and thus bear down our self-assurance. But if we want to show all these prakrta-sahajiyas mired in their misconceptions the real glory of raganuga-bhakti, we have to learn the art of bhajana ourselves and only then try for others' eternal benefit.
So try to carefully understand what is written. 'Bhajana' is nothing external nor any means for showing off. Loudly call out nama, then the spirit of enjoyment in the form of laziness won't be able to swallow us."
apnara 4se tarikher patra paiya samacara jnata hailam / apni vrndavane giya vaisnava-ganer nikata ye asta-kaliya-lila-smaranadir visaya jnaniyachen, uha adaraniya, sandeha nai / kintu yebhave e sakala visaya anarthamayi avastaya dharana kara haya, visayati serupa nahe / sri hari-nama grhana karite karite se-sakala visaya vyaktivisesa jnanite paren, uhai svaruper paricaya / anartha-nivrtti haile svarupa uddhudh haya / svaruper udbodhane nityapratiti apnate asiya upasthita haya / uha keha kahakeu kapatata kariya siksa deya na va nirnaya kariya deya na / tabe niskapatacite pracur hari-nama karite karite ye upalabhdir visaya haya, taha sadhu-gurur pada-padma nivedana kariya sei visayer dharana suddha u samartana kariya lite haya / uhai eka-dasa prakara svaruper paricaya / nana sthaner avivecaka guru-gana ye-sakala katha ayogaya sadhaker upara krtrimabhaver capaiya dena, uhake siddhir paricaya bala jaya na / jini svarupa-siddhi labha karen, tini e sakala paricaye svatah siddhi paricita hana evam sri-gurudeva sei sakala visaye bhajanaonntir sahaya kariya thaken matra / amara ei visaye adhika vaktavya nai / sadhaker siddhir unnatikrame ei sakala katha svabhaviki bhave akapata sevonmukha hrdaye prakasita haya /
"I have noted your letter dated the 24th. The asta-kaliya-lila about which you have heard from the Vaisnavas in Vrndavana should be highly regarded no doubt. But the way in which these pastimes are conceived of in the contaminated state is totally corrupt. Some fortunate individuals are capable of knowing these things after chanting for a long time, for that is the identity of the true self. But it can only be known after one is freed of mental contaminations. With the awakening of this spiritual identity, one automatically has constant cognition of his spiritual form. Those who say that they can teach or reveal this identity are practicing a kind of deception; it cannot be done. On the other hand, if a devotee receives some inspiration after sincerely chanting for a long time, he should go to the sad-guru or advanced devotees and ask for it to be confirmed and purified by them. The spiritual identity has eleven aspects (eka-dasa-bhava). There are many cases of unscrupulous gurus who artificially force-feed these designations on unqualified practitioners, but we cannot call this the mark of spiritual perfection. Those who have achieved the perfection of being fixed in their spiritual identity (svarupa-siddhi) have attained such a realization through internal revelation and the spiritual master's only involvement in these matters is to help the further advancement of a disciple. As a practitioner progresses toward spiritual perfection, all these things are revealed naturally within the heart that sincerely seeks service."
jahate sri-namer krpa haya, sarvatobhave sri-namer nikata bahai prathana kariben / asta-kala-lila smarana prabhrti anartha-bukta avasthar krtya nahe / kirtana-mukhai sravana haya evam smaraner suyoga upasthita haya / sei kalai asta-kala-lila-sevar anubhuti sambhava / krtrim-vicare asta-kala smarana karite nai /
"We should constantly pray to the Holy Name for His mercy. One who is still in a contaminated state should not engage in smarana of the daily cycle of the Lord's pastimes (asta-kaliya-lila). When we engage in chanting the Holy Names, we are simultaneously engaged in hearing and the opportunity for remembering is included in that. One should not engage in asta-kaliya-lila-smarana on false premises."
sri nama grahana karite karite anartha apasarita haila sri namai rupa, gua, u lila apna haite sphurti haibe /
cesta kariya krtrim bhave rupa, guna, u lila smarana karite haibe na /
"There is no point in making a separate effort to artificially remember the Lord's form, qualities and pastimes. The Lord and His Name are one and the same. This will be understood clearly when the coverings in our hearts are removed. By chanting without offenses you will personally realize that all perfections come from the Holy Name."
Prabhupäda: My Guru Mahäräja wanted to publish Govinda-lilämrta. He asked permission of Bhaktivinoda thäkura. So first of all Bhaktivinoda thäkura, "I'll tell you some day." And when he reminded, he said, "Yes you can print one copy. If you are so much anxious to print it, print one copy. You'll read and you will see that you have printed. Not for distribution.Not that "Here is Rädhä-kunda. Let us go." Jump over like monkey. "Here is räsa-lilä. Immediately..."( Room Conversation August 16, 1976, Bombay)
For our very dear Srila Prabhupada’s sake lets hope the following things take place-
1)Iskcon should stop distributing such books
2)Devotees should not prematurely purchase or read such books. If and when they are qualified the holy name will reveal every thing.
Iskcon should only and only concentrate on displaying and distributing Srila Prabhupada’s books.
Your servant,
Gaurangasundar dasa

Monday, 28 November 2011

Srila Prabhupada:“If you want to know me, read my books.”

Here is a few inspiring quotes from Srila Prabhupada about his books:

Srila Prabhupada:
“If you want to know me, read my books.” 

"Until these world leaders read my books and take to this Vedic culture, what kind of civilization will they have? Dog race. Horse race."

"In my books the philosophy of Krishna consciousness is explained fully, so if there is anything which you do not understand, then you simply have to read again and again. By reading daily, the knowledge will be revealed to you, and by this process, your spiritual life will develop.”

"I am requesting all of my students to read my books very seriously every day without fail. In this way, if your mind becomes absorbed at least one or two hours daily in the transcendental subject matter of Srimad-Bhagavatam, Bhagavad-gita, and other books then very easily you will make your advancement in Krishna Consciousness."

"Therefore, I recommend you to read books more and more and try to understand the subject matter from different angles of vision and be always discussing it with your godbrothers even while you are working at the press, and when you are working and you cannot read, then listen to the tapes of my lectures and hear in that way."

“There is nothing new to be said. Everything is in my books. Therefore, if you want to know me, read my books.”

"So there is nothing new to be said. Whatever I have to speak, I have spoken in my books. Now you try to understand it and continue your endeavor. Whether I am present or not present, it doesn't matter."

Srila Prabhupada asked a devotee, ‘can you quote the verse?’ They could not. Srila Prabhupada said, “Just see - you are not reading my books. You have to read my books and you have to study and learn my books just like a lawyer learns the law books. You must know everything chapter and verse. If you do not know, how will you teach these men unless you know my books. Every day you have to read my books. Do you know that every day even I read my own books?

Do you know why I read my books? I read my books everyday because even I learn something new when I read them. Do you know why I learn something new when I read my books? Because these books are not my books - I do not write these books. Every morning when I sit here to write my books Krsna comes personally and he dictates to me what to write, o I simply take dictation from Krsna and I write these books. Therefore when I read them even I learn something.”

Prabhupāda: Yes. That is preaching. Therefore we are writing so many books. Unless we take care of the books and preach and read ourself, understand the philosophy, this Hare Kṛṣṇa will be finished within few years. Because there will be no life. How long one can artificially go on, "Hare Kṛṣṇa! Haribol!" That will be artificial, no life.

Yaśomatīnandana: That's right Prabhupāda. We are so foolish, we never realize anything unless you tell us like that. Without preaching...

Prabhupāda: Without preaching, without understanding philosophy, you cannot keep your strength. Everyone should be thoroughly well-conversed with the philosophy which we are putting... That means you must read thoroughly every day.

Letter from Tamala Krishna Goswami (on Srila Prabhupada's behalf) to Hansadutta.

July 31st 1977
My Dear Hansadutta Maharaja,
Please accept my most humble obeisances at your feet. I have been instructed by His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada to thank you for your letter dated July 25th 1977.
You have written to Srila Prabhupada saying you do not know why Srila Prabhupada has chosen you to be a recipient of his mercy. His Divine Grace immediately replied, "It is because you are my sincere servant. You have given up attachment for a beautiful and qualified wife and that is a great benidiction. You are a real preacher. Therefore I like you. (Then laughing) Sometimes you become obstinate, but that is true of any intelligent man. Now you have a very good field. Now organize it and it will be a great credit. No one will disturb you there. Make your own field and continue to become ritvik and act on my behalf."
Srila Prabhupada listened with great enthusiasm as I read to him the newspaper article. His Divine Grace was very pleased: "This article will increase your prestige. It is very nice article. Therfore the newspaper has spared so much space to print it. It is very nice. It must be published in Back to Godhead. Now there is a column in Back to Godhead called "Prabhupada Speaks Out". Your article may be entitled "Prabhupada's  Disciple Speaks Out". Yes, we shall publish this article certainly. Let this rascal be fool before the public. I have enjoyed this article very much. I want my disciples to speak out...backed by complete reasoning. "Brahma sutra sunisthita", this is preaching. Be blessed. All my disciples go forward. You have given the challenge. They cannot answer. This Dr. Kovoor should be invited...For Dr. Svarupa Damodara"s convention on "Life comes from Life". He can learn something at this scientific convention."
Yes, you should certainly get some ISKCON Food Relief money. For your program American money collected and sent for food distribution. That is my proposal. Three hundred people coming is no joke. You mentioned so many nice preperations. I would like to eat but I cannot. At simply hearing these names (of preperations) it is satisfying. Just thinking this morning of you, and now you have written me.
(last paragraph illegible)
Your Servant
Tamala Krishna Goswami
Secretary to Srila Prabhupada
(signature appears on the original)

Letter From Ramesvara, July 21 1977

Founder - Acarya: His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

                                                                              July 21st, 1977
Dear GBC Godbrother Prabhus,
Please accept my most humble obeisances in the dust of your feet. All glories to Srila Prabhupada! I have just received some letters from Tamal Krishna Maharaja, and am enclosing herein two documents: 1) Srila Prabhupada's  final version of his last will, and 2) Srila Prabhupada's  initial list of disciples appointed to perform initiations for His Divine Grace. This initial list is also being sent to all centers.
From Tamal"s letter it seems that Srila Prabhupada is enthusiastic despite poor health, and is translating full force. He especially becomes enthused when reports arrive from different GBC men and temples with preaching results, general good news, etc. and Tamal Krishna Maharaja has stressed that we should all be sending such reports, as His Divine Grace often asks, "What is the news?" An outstanding example of Srila Prabhupada's  mood was shown after receiving an encouraging preaching report from Hansadutta Swami in Ceylon. Srila Prabhupada said, "I want to go to Ceylon. I can go. I can go anywhere by chair. It is difficult only in the imagination. The swelling is touching the skin, not my soul.
More than anything else, Tamal has stressed the genuine need for a visiting GBC member to come every month for personal service. Since Srila Prabhupada has recently said that now this regular visiting is very important, all GBC members should be anxious to do this, as it not only involves important work which will help relieve Prabhupada from management, but also involves attending Srila Prabhupada personally, giving him massages and many other nectarian services, and in general affords an unusual amount of personal association, even more than in the past. Out of over 23 GBC members there should never be one month not filled up.
One final news report is that Srila Prabupada has appointed a new GBC member for North India (including Delhi but not Vrndavana) - His Holiness Bhakti Caitanya Swami. Tamal Krishna Maharaja said that His divine Grace appointed him to encourage him for the outstanding preaching work he is doing in Punjab.
Jai, I hope this finds you all well, and fully absorbed in preaching and thus satisfying Srila Prabhupada fully.
                                             Your most unworthy servant,
                                            (signature appears on the original document)
                                             Ramesvara dasa Swami

Letter to Kirtanananda July 11th, 1977

Founder-Acharya His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
July 11th 1977
My dear Kirtanananda Maharaja,
Please accept my most humble obeisances at your feet. His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada has just received the latest issue of Brijabasi Spirit, Vol.IV,No.4, which brought Him great joy. As He looked at the cover showing Kaladri performing a fire ceremony, He said, "Just see his face how devotee he is, so expert in everything". When Srila Prabhupada opened the first page, His eyes fixed on the picture of Radha- Vrindavana Chandra, and He said, "Vrindavana Bihari - so beautiful. There is no danger wherever Vrindavana Chandra is." After enjoying the whole magazine throughly Srila Prabhupada said, "It is printed on their own press. It is very good progress." His Divine Grace very much appreciated the article "How I Was Deprogrammed" by the young devotee boy. Prabhupada was feeling great sympathy when he heard his story and said, "If one man is turned like this boy then this movement is successful. There is good prospect, good hope. You all combine together and push this movement on and on. Now I am assured that it will go on." While going through the magazine, Srila Prabhupada also saw your good photo on the page "Istagosthi" and Srila Prabhupada bestowed a long loving look upon your good self expressing his deep appreciation for how you have understood this Krishna Consciousness.
A letter has been sent to all the Temple Presidents and GBC which you should be receiving soon describing the process for initiation to be followed in the future. Srila Prabhupada has appointed thus far eleven representitives who will initiate new devotees on His behalf. You can wait for this letter to arrive (the original has been sent to Ramesvara Maharaja for duplicating) and then all of the persons whom you recommened in your previous letters can be initiated.
His Divine Grace has been maintaining His health on an even course and most amazingly has doubled His translation work keeping pace with the doubling of book distribution. Hoping this meets you well.
Your servant,
Tamala Krishna Goswami
Secretary to Srila Prabhupada
(signature appears on original)
His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami
c/o ISKCON New Vrndavana

Letter to Hamsadutta July 10th, 1977

Founder-Acharya: His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

July 10th 1977

My dear Hamsadutta Maharaja,

Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Srila Prabhupad has received your letters dated July 4th and July 5th, 1977 respectively, and has instructed me to reply to them.
Srila Prabhupad was very pleased to hear how you have organized everything in Ceylon, and that so many people are now taking interest seriously is proof of the effectiveness of your preaching. His Divine Grace said, “You are a suitable person and you can give initiation to those who are ready for it. I have selected you among eleven men as “rittvik” or representative of the acharya, to give initiations, both first and second initiation, on my behalf.” (A newsletter is being sent to all Temple Presidents and GBC in this regard, listing the eleven representatives selected by His Divine Grace. Those who are initiated are the disciples of Srila Prabhupada, and anyone who you deem fit and initiate in this way, you should send their names to be included in Srila Prabhupada’s “Initiated Disciples” book. In this way the Temple Presidents will send their recommendations for initiation direct to the nearest representative who will give a spiritual name or chant on the Gayatri thread just as Srila Prabhupada has been doing.)
Srila Prabhupad smiled very broadly when he heard of the successful program organized by the local people in which 2000 persons attended. When he heard that you have introduced a full feasting program on Sundays, he said, “You are a good cook, so teach others now how to cook just as I taught you.”

Regarding the printing going slowly, His Divine Grace stated, “Never mind. Go surely. It doesn’t matter slowly.” I inquired from Pradyumna Prabhu about the Sinhalese translation which you mentioned. He said that “On Chanting Hare Krishna Mantra” was translated into Sinhalese, and that translation is in his trunk in Bombay. We will try to get it to you as soon as possible. I do not know if Gopal Krishna has any Tamil manuscript, but if he does, when I see him in about ten days, I will tell him to send it to you. You may also write him directly. Pradyumna says it will be faster just to get a new translation – it is only 1 page.

Srila Prabhupada was very glad to know that you would try to bring some Ceylonese devotees to Mayapur and said, “Oh, that is very good!” He did not know whether the story about Bhaktisiddhanta’s disciples seeing a man eating a rat was true or not. Regarding the exact position of Sri Lanka, this is the opinion of some people. Srila Prabhupad advised that we not discuss this matter publicly at this time. Prabhupad also recommended that from Hari Sauri you take ghee. He said that you could have one fifth of whatever Hari Sauri sends to India. Regarding whether you should use the name Swami or Goswami, Srila Prabhupad said, “Stick to one. Swami is better.”
Your servant,

(signature appears on the original document)

Tamal Krishna Gosvami
Secretary to Srila Prabhupad
His Holiness Hamsadutta Swami
c/o ISKCON Colombo

Saturday, 26 November 2011

Someone has poisoned me

Note: Srila Prabhupada was aware of the plot to kill him in 1976. So the question is WHO is "they"?
Room Conversation, May 3, 1976, Honolulu
Prabhupada: This is our position. Gradually they will show Hare Krishna movement. In India also, although India's... They will want to crush down this movement. So this will be up to Him. Krishna or Krishna's movement, the same thing. And Krishna was attempted to be killed by Kamsa class of men and his company, the demons. So it will be there; it is already there. Don't be disappointed, because that is the meaning that it is successful. Krishna's favor is there, because Krishna and Krishna's movement is not different, nondiff..., identical. So as Krishna was attempted to be killed, many, many years before He appeared... At eighth child, if the mother produces child yearly, still ten years, eight years before His birth, the mother was to be attempted to be killed. So there may be attempt like that. And Lord Jesus Christ was killed. SO THEY MAY KILL ME ALSO.
Note: Trouble from Subordinates Juniors (disciples "they")
Room Conversations, August 11, 1977, Vrindavan
Abhirama: So I went to see the astrologer with Yasodanandana Swami, and he did more calculations on your chart.
Prabhupada: You can get on light.
Abhirama: So basically he explained when the difficult times will come, according to the planets. Then he made it very clear that beyond the planetary influence, it would be very difficult for calculations for a person in your position. For an ordinary man he can say very clearly. And he can say for you which planets will disturb, but he cannot say for sure how much they will affect, because being a saintly person, there is naturally some resistance to these influences. So he made that very clear, that you
should not think that these are final. So he said, according to your birth, the longevity shows very clearly. And then he gave a date. The longevity is eighty-one years, five months and twenty-nine days, which means February 28, 1978, six months from now. This is according to birth and stars arrangement. But on this point he made it very clear that this was from your birth, this was set, but it can change. Due to pious activities, due to the hand of Krishna, this can change. So... And then he described that during the next six months, the first week of September, Saturn will pass over Ketu, and it will agitate the influence of Ketu even more. So the first week of September the resistance will go down, will become weaker. THEN HE MENTIONED THAT THERE MAY BE SOME TROUBLE FROM..., MAYBE FINANCIAL OR MAYBE FROM JUNIORS, FROM SUBORDINATES.
Note: Srila Prabhupada KNEW he was going to be killed by "they" (disciples)
Otherwise why does he say BETTER KILL ME HERE.
Room Conversation, October 22, 1977, Vrindavan
Bhavananda: Therefore we asked you yesterday for your guidance.
Prabhupada: No, I'll guide. Don't move me to the hospital. BETTER KILL ME
Note: It is a particularly astounding statement to be made at the time when Srila Prabhupada KNEW he was going to pass away soon. Maricha was under the order of Ravana to kill Rama (which he knew he was not capable of). Ravana would kill Maricha; if he failed to accomplish Ravana's order. So either way Maricha knew he was going to be killed. (By being killed by Rama, Maricha would be fortunate as it opened the door of liberation). Srila Prabhupada similarly KNEW he would be killed. Srila Prabhupada had the following choices:
1) to have him killed in hospital (which "they" would have done --also!)
2) to be killed by his own disciples at Krishna Balarama Temple (who were poisoning him) while hearing Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare /Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.
These were the TWO options. The option to ENGAGE his disciples in devotional service chanting the Hare Krishna maha-mantra even to the last end was what he chose in spite of ("they") their evil intent to kill him.
Note: Srila Prabhupada is talking of BEING KILLED by EITHER PARTY. Let us note that Parikrama with buffalos was danger in his state of health BUT the OTHER issue was THE POISONERS who will NOT let him go they were determined to KILL him THERE if he stayed INSIDE.
Room Conversation, November 10, 1977, Vrindavan
Prabhupada: THE RAVANA WILL KILL AND RAMA WILL KILL. BETTER TO BE KILLED BY RAMA. EH? That Maricha--if he does not go to mislead Sita, he'll be killed by Ravana; and if he goes to be killed by Rama, then it is better.
Tamala Krishna: WHO is this Prabhupada's talking about?
Conversation Mixture of English, Hindi and Bengali (9/11/77)
Srila Prabhupada: Keu bole je keu poison kore diyeche. HOY TO TAI.
Translation: Someone says that I've been poisoned. IT'S POSSIBLE.
Balaram Mishra (?): Hmm?
Kaviraja: Kya farma rahe hain?
Translation: What is he saying?
Srila Prabhupada: Koi bolta hai je koi mujhko poison kiya gaya hai.
Translation: Someone says that someone has given poison.
Kaviraja: Kisko?
Translation: To whom?
Srila Prabhupada: Mujhko.
Translation: To me.
Kaviraja: Kaun bolta hai?
Translation: Who said?
Srila Prabhupada: YE SAB FRIENDS.
Translation: These all friends
Bhakticharu: Ke boleche, Srila Prabhupada?
Translation: Who said, Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: Ke boleche.
Translation: They all say.
Tamal Krishna: Krishna das?
Kaviraja: Ao ko kaun poison dega? Kis liye dega?
Translation: Who would give you poison? Why would anyone do that?
Tamal Krishna: Who said that, Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: I do not know, but it is said.
Note: Srila Prabhupada's consciousness was not like a conditioned soul sleep
in ignorance. From this it is evident HE DID HEAR THE WHISPERS OF "they" WHO WERE POISONING HIM. Srila Prabhupada was FULLY CONSCIOUS of ALL that was going on. He could hear EVERYTHING.
Srila Prabhupada: I do not know, BUT IT IS SAID.
**IF** Srila Prabhupada was in a deep slumber of a conditioned soul - he would
have NOT heard. BUT he DID HEAR - therefore "BUT IT IS SAID". Who "they" are he does not wish to disclose DIRECTLY.
There is also a DEFINITE link between the 9th July letter to society on the order of RITVIK system. Srila Prabhupada's clear instructions are that he Srila Prabhupada is the Initiating Guru of ISKCON. This ORDER was NEVER REVOKED by Srila Prabhupada. THIS signalled warrant for his kill! Srila Prabhupada did not compromise: HE WAS** THE** GURU OF ISKCON. This was unacceptable to "they" (Srila Prabhupada murderers).
The motives of these disciples ("they", Srila Prabhupada murderers) were to somehow or other GET RID OF this July 9th 1977 directive-in order to implement their devious plan.
Now "they" who poisoned Srila Prabhupada knew and feared all devotees would
find out. So in the beginning it was HIDDEN from the majority of devotees. Why? And eventually it was the banned "ritvik" devotees who distributed thousands of this 9th July 1977 directive ALL OVER THE WORLD.  "They" had to respond - no choice. Devotees ALL OVER THE WORLD FOUND OUT.
Hear this feeble excuse? "Tamal Krishna typed it out - Srila Prabhupada just
signed it."
So - Srila Prabhupada had signed MANY transactions, letters to devotees, the Incorporation of ISKCON in USA etc. **IF**  July 9th 1977 letter is rejected as having been Tamal Krishna's "personal choice" - then ISKCON Incorporation, letters to devotees EVERYTHING  typed by devotees and signed by Srila Prabhupada would be discarded on the same merit. See how CRAZY it looks!!  Srila Prabhupada KNEW EXACTLY what he signed. Tamal Krishna's position was as a SECRETARY and Srila Prabhupada was THE BOSS. Secretary can type, design letter according to THE WISHES of THE BOSS. Secretary's position is SUBSERVIENT to the BOSS -  not independent.
1) Discarding the RITVIK system means "they" have free servants/slaves(disciples).
2) Discarding the RITVIK system means "they" have the satisfaction of worship of themselves replacing Srila Prabhupada as the Initiator.
3) Discarding the RITVIK system means "they" have the dakshina MONEY for
their own lusty desires.  Free income from servant/slave (disciple).
4) Discarding the RITVIK system means "they" OWN properties, usurp temples.
5) Discarding the RITVIK system means "they" manipulate devotees.
6) Discarding the RITVIK system means "they" prevent Srila Prabhupada's
ORIGINAL BOOKS from printing/ distributing in LARGE quantities.
7) Discarding the Ritvik system means "they" and KEY men, Temple Presidents,
etc., loot exploit the ISKCON society funds
 Note: "They" Srila Prabhupada murderers destination:
Ishopanishad 12
The Lord states that as soon as one reaches Him by devotional service--which is the one and only way to approach the Personality of Godhead--one attains complete freedom from the bondage of birth and death. In other words, the path of salvation from the material clutches fully depends on the principles of knowledge and detachment gained from serving the Lord. THE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS HAVE NEITHER KNOWLEDGE NOR DETACHMENT FROM MATERIAL AFFAIRS, FOR MOST OF THEM WANT TO LIVE IN THE GOLDEN SHACKLES OF MATERIAL BONDAGE UNDER THE SHADOW OF PHILANTHROPIC ACTIVITIES DISGUISED AS RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES. BY A FALSE DISPLAY OF RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS, THEY PRESENT A SHOW OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE WHILE INDULGING IN ALL SORTS OF IMMORAL ACTIVITIES. IN THIS WAY THEY PASS AS SPIRITUAL MASTERS AND DEVOTEES OF GOD. SUCH VIOLATORS OF RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE AUTHORITATIVE ACHARYAS, THE HOLY TEACHERS IN THE STRICT DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION. **THEY** IGNORE THE VEDIC INJUNCTION ACHARYOPASANA--"ONE MUST WORSHIP THE ACHARYA"—and Krishna's statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, "This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession." Instead, to mislead the people in general they themselves become so-called acharyas, but they do not even follow the principles of the acharyas.
These rogues are the MOST DANGEROUS ELEMENTS IN HUMAN SOCIETY. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the
state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious
propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Bg.
Question: Just HOW MUCH poison was given IN THE NAME of MEDICINE or MIXED WITH  medicine?
Room Conversation, October 28, 1977, Vrindavan
Bhakticharu: Pressure is good. When Dr. Ghosh came, that other Dr. Ghosh
came... (Hindi) ...pressure, 180 and 80. (Hindi) He's saying that in this
condition, Prabhupada can't take makara-dhvaja. THAT ANY MEDICINE THAT
Bhavananda: That's what Prabhupada said.
Tamala Krishna: That is a fact. HE FOUND THAT TO BE TRUE
Note: Sceptics may disagree but Srila Prabhupada gives here HIS verdict from HIS  OWN MOUTH.
WHY does Srila Prabhupada say YES?
 Srila Prabhupada: YES
Room Conversation, October 31, 1977, Vrindavan
Tamala Krishna: We certainly have... We might as well try. We've tried everyone else.
Prabhupada: Hm.
Tamala Krishna: So let us try.
Prabhupada: YES.
 Prabhupada: ...taking poison. The body is already finished.
Upendra: What is that?
Tamala Krishna: HE SAID, "IF YOU THINK I'M TAKING POISON, that the body is
already finished."
Prabhupada: So dead body, you take poison or ambrosia, it is the same. Blind man, night or day--the same thing. Rather, if you depend on miracle, pray to Krishna that "He may survive.
Tamal Krishna KNEW that ARSENIC was POISON. HOW MUCH QUANTITY did he ADD to the medicine?
Lectures, November 29, 1968, Los Angeles
Prabhupada: Now, "pervades the body," that is consciousness. The soul is very small, but... Just like you take one grain of, what is called, poison? Snake poison? Arsenic? Poison called? What is called? Yes, venom poison.
Tamala Krishna: ARSENIC IS POISON.
WHY is it RELEVANT to bring in the “KILL” by either side? Especially at THIS TIME when Prabhupada KNEW he was going to pass away.
Room Conversation, November 10, 1977, Vrindavan
Prabhupada: THE RAVANA WILL KILL AND RAMA WILL KILL. BETTER TO BE KILLED BY RAMA. EH? That Maricha--if he does not go to mislead Sita, he'll be killed by Ravana; and if he goes to be killed by Rama, then it is better.
Tamala Krishna: Who is this Prabhupada's talking about?
Note: Srila Prabhupada sends Tamal OUT of the room THIS is when POISON was
mentioned in HINDI
Room Conversation, November 8, 1977, Vrindavan
Prabhupada: No. (break) (Hindi) Tamala Krishna?
Tamala Krishna: Yes, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Give facility for him, ten rupees.
Tamala Krishna: This gentleman?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krishna: Ten rupees.
Prabhupada: And some fruits.
Tamala Krishna: Uncut.
Prabhupada: Uncut, yes.
Tamala Krishna: Okay.
Indian man: (Hindi)
Kaviraja: (Hindi)
Prabhupada: (Hindi)
Tamala Krishna: I'll give him the fruits now, Srila Prabhupada? I have some
fruits. I can give him now?
Prabhupada: Hm. (Hindi)
Note: TKG wanted to KNOW if Srila Prabhupada had told them ABOUT HIS POISONING - because PERHAPS ***THIS** was the ONLY chance Srila Prabhupada had to inform OUTSIDE WORLD what was ACTUALLY taking place.
AND he was speaking in HINDI so this "FRIENDS" will not hear it.
Note: Srila Prabhupada says don't torture me and put to death.    WHY say this UNLESS IT IS HAPPENING!!!
Room Conversation, November 3, 1977, Vrindavan
Prabhupada: That is my only request, that at the last stage don't torture me
and put to death. So I am not eating anything, and if we chant, by batches
chant, I'll hear. (Bengali)
Room Conversation, November 8, 1977, Vrindavan
Prabhupada: (Hindi--mentions word "poison")
Kaviraja: (Hindi)
Kaviraja: (Hindi long explanation)
Room Conversation, October 18, 1977, Vrindavan
Tamala Krishna: I mean we have to go on some basis, Srila Prabhupada. And from
the... What we can see, we can see. Whatever you ate turned into stool. Now, that is a good sign. That's a good sign. If it didn't come out of its own accord, that's due to less strength. And by drinking a lot yesterday, this morning the urine becomes clear, and by taking those medicines. These are actual, factual things we can observe. One thing is, you don't feel able to sleep. That's a bad thing. And the other thing is your being so weak condition that your willpower is weakened. Your determination is weakened. So far as those two problems go, for sleeping I know that something can
be given to help you to sleep. So far willpower, if you allow us to take care of you, then I think that should be the willpower. OF COURSE, I MEAN WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET THEM DO ANYTHING BAD. I MEAN I'M NOT GOING TO LET ANYBODY TAKE YOU TO THE HOSPITAL. I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT IN LONDON , EXCEPT THAT YOU YOURSELF SAID WE SHOULD DO IT. Otherwise your instructions told to everybody, "Don't let them take me to a hospital." So we're not thinking like that. Neither I'm going to let anybody put any, take any blood specimen or any of those things. It's not required. These things which they're giving
you are not... The only harmful effect is that you cannot sleep. But that can be given. To help you sleep can be helped. Otherwise this Kaviraja's medicine, it may be less agitating to take, but does it actually work? Now for nearly half a day you have drank only one time a little bit. But you want us to take care of you and help you, then I think you should accept these... I mean they're very reasonable arguments.
Note: Hospital means Poison SYMPTOMS would  SHOW.
Room Conversation, November 3, 1977, Vrindavan
Tamala Krishna: I said supposing someone threatens us with our life, that "We
will kill you if you don't let us take your Guru Maharaja to the hospital," still, we will not let them take you. Your order is our business to follow, even at the risk of our life. SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE YOU TO THE HOSPITAL UNDER ANY CONDITION. Neither... Not only is it your order, but we also see absolutely no benefit from these hospitals. Your order is sufficient, but apart from that, also, from our own limited intelligence, we also see that the hospitals are condemned. These doctors are blind, these allopathic doctors.
The ACHARYA of the GREAT institution does NOT make frivolous comments like a mundaner. His instructions are GUIDANCE for humanity.
Room Conversation, October 22, 1977, Vrindavan
Bhavananda: Therefore we asked you yesterday for your guidance.
Prabhupada: No, I'll guide. Don't move me to the hospital. BETTER KILL ME

If one is AT ALL SERIOUS in knowing the TRUTH then the least  they have to go thru all this PLUS the CDs whispers. Tamal Krishna Goswami's voice is CLEAR "poison is going down"  EVEN  the most uneducated person who is SINCERE will accept WHERE is the POISON going down - they have made Srila Prabhupada DRINK IT and it is GOING DOWN HIS THROAT. There were few voices captured. 1) Tamal Krishna Goswami 2) Bhavananda who was there when he RESPONDED: HUH. There was one voice INDIAN who mentioned poison in the background. 3) There was a voice that said Jaya it could be Jayapataka or Jayadwaita or BOTH. 4) there was a apparently Indian voice that said “Pyabhaichary poison is put in the Milk.”
Letter to: Jayadvaita  Los Angeles, 30 January, 1970, Boston
My Dear Jayadvaita,
Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated 28 January, 1970.
I am very glad to learn that Nectar of Devotion is now completed. You have inquired about the quality number 63 of Krishna that He is surrounded by loving devotees can be explained as follows: When we speak of Krishna, Krishna is not alone. Krishna means His name, His qualities, His fame, His friends, His paraphernalia, His entourage--everything included. Just like when we speak of a king, it is to be understood that he is surrounded by ministers, secretaries, military commanders and many other people. Krishna is not impersonal, so in His Vrindavan Lila especially, He is always surrounded by the Gopis, cowherd boys, His father, His mother and all the inhabitants of Vrindavan.
Regarding your second question, Pyabhaichary, you have got 31 only out of 33. I think some of the brackets are not counted. So if the parentheses are removed from "intoxication" and "impotency" and they are also counted, the total of symptoms will come to 33. Simply add commas after the preceding symptoms namely "prestige" and "impudence" respectively.
Regarding the third point: all kinds of mellow includes servitude. Therefore a mixture of servitude and parenthood is not incompatible. So Ugrasena's mellow is correctly written as mixed with servitude and parental affection and the statement in part IV should be corrected to state that a mixture of parenthood and servitude is a compatible one.
 I hope this will meet you in good health.
Your ever well-wisher,
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
A point to note: Jayapataka was always in the company of Tamala Krishna Goswami and Bhavananda. AND if TKG was involved we KNOW Bhavananda gave himself away THEN Jayapataka MUST be there. no? MOTIVE is there.
The following site has whispers of the poison givers:
Subj: Hoy to tai.
Date: 11/18/99 8:20:00 PM Eastern Standard Time
mahesh.r@virgin.net (Mahesh Raja)
mahesh.r@virgin.net (Mahesh Raja)
adri@cwcom.net (Adridharan das)
Dear Adridharana Dasa Prabhu

All Glories to Srila Prabhupada! Please accept my humble obeisances.
The GBC's "Official Investigation" on the poison issue is more like asking a bunch of foxes to go in and count the number of chickens in a closed chicken filled compact hatch. And the "official" response will be: there is NONE! (All evidence hidden in the stomach).
It’s an open secret for their fat pay packets and money earning schemes the
GBC have lied and evaded consistently to the society about implementing the
July 9th 1977 final order (signed PERSONALLY by His Divine Grace Srila
Prabhupada) to implement the Ritvik System. What more proof do you require
about their "genuine" sincerity? They only launched "official Investigation" when the subject could not be hidden anymore. So let’s not be naive.
You wrote: "Naturally, we can only rely on the actual words Srila Prabhupada spoke on this issue to determine whether he himself believed that he was deliberately poisoned". UNLESS Srila Prabhupada actually believed this WHY does he CONFIRM: Hoy to tai (It’s possible).
Srila Prabhupada: Keu bole je keu poison kore diyeche. Hoy to tai.
Translation: Someone says that I've been poisoned. It's possible.
We have to understand that there are two issues:
1) Srila Prabhupada is a Vaishnava of the highest calibre and therefore NOT
going to PROTEST at this barbaric brutal act committed PERSONALLY against him.
2)As an acharya he IS STILL DUTY BOUND to give instructions to the society
what exactly happened i.e. on HOW he was poisoned WITHOUT himself protesting that he HAS been poisoned.
Thus Srila Prabhupada FULFILLS the above two contradictory points by saying: Keu bole (Someone says). Srila Prabhupada is not going to utter even a slight protest at this most heinous activity. This is the QUALITY of a VAISHNAVA. If "someone says" something which Srila Prabhupada ALREADY KNEW was happening what is the difference when Srila Prabhupada simply REPEATS ("I've been poisoned") this is an ACKNOWLEDGEMENT or CONFIRMATION even if the words are the SAME. This shows Srila Prabhupada as an EXPERT who did NOT transgress the Vaishnava etiquette. Neither did Srila Prabhupada fail to disclose that he has been poisoned SIMULTANEOUSLY.
So he SIMULTANEOUSLY said the words "I've been poisoned" and did not say
it. Srila Prabhupada next says: Hoy to tai (It's possible). We have to UNDERSTAND that Srila Prabhupada is ADMITTING by ACKNOWLEDGING. Srila Prabhupada is SAYING Hoy to tai. IT'S POSSIBLE!!!! What Srila Prabhupada Is TELLING US is in the language of inconceivable SIMULTANEOUS ONENESS and DIFFERENCE that he HAS been poisoned.
Srila Prabhupada: Keu bole je keu poison kore diyeche. Hoy to tai.
Translation: Someone says that I've been poisoned. It's possible.
Based on
1) here are a few examples on how a Vaishnava does not PERSONALLY protest:
Srimad Bhagavatam 6.1.16
When a devotee is put into hellish conditions, he accepts them as Krishna's
mercy: tat te 'nukampam susamiksamanah (Bhag. 10.14.8). He does NOT PROTEST , "Oh, I am such a great devotee of Krishna. Why have I been put into this misery?" Instead he thinks, "This is Krishna's mercy."
Lectures, July 18, 1973, London
This is the qualification of sadhu. Sadhu is TITIKSAVA, tolerates all kinds of miserable conditions. He is sadhu. Because this is a place of miserable condition. A sadhu learns how to tolerate. Sadhu is never disturbed. Yasmin sthito gurunapi duhkhena na vicalyate. A sadhu, who has got the shelter of Krishna, if he is placed in the severest type of dangerous condition, he is never disturbed. Just like Prahlada Maharaja, his father was putting him in so many dangerous conditions, even he was supplying with poison. He knew that "My father has given me poison to drink. All right, let me drink. If Krishna likes, He will save me. I am now put into such dangerous position. I have to drink. Father is giving poison. Who can check?" And such a big powerful Hiranyakashipu. The mother cried, requested... He forced the
mother, Prahlada's mother, "Give your son this poison." So she begged so much, but he was a rascal demon. "NO, YOU MUST GIVE." SO THE MOTHER KNEW, THE SON KNEW THAT THE RASCAL FATHER IS GIVING THIS POISON. WHAT CAN HE DO, A SMALL CHILD? "ALL RIGHT, LET ME DRINK." GURUNAPI DUHKHENA NA VICALYATE. HE IS NOT AGITATING. "ALL RIGHT, IF KRISHNA LIKES, I WILL LIVE." THIS IS THE POSITION OF SADHU. HE IS NOT DISTURBED. TITIKSAVAH. IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES, HE IS TOLERANT. That is sadhu. Sadhu does not become disturbed. Titiksavah. At the same time, karunikah. He is himself disturbed, but he is merciful to others.
Just like Jesus Christ. He is being CRUCIFIED, and still he is merciful:
"God, these people do not know what they are doing. Please excuse them."
This is sadhu.
Lectures, March 16, 1976, Mayapur
If you want to chant Hare Krishna mantra, then you have to take this principle, trnad api sunicena. You have to become humbler than the grass. Grass, it is lying on the street. Everyone is trampling down. Never protests. In the lawn you are... Everyone is trampling the grass. There is no protest. Taror api sahisnuna. AND TOLERANT THAN THE TREE. THE TREE IS GIVING US SO MUCH HELP. IT IS GIVING US FRUIT, FLOWER, LEAVES, AND WHEN THERE IS SCORCHING HEAT, SHELTER ALSO. SIT DOWN UNDERNEATH. SO BENEFICIAL,
The tree does not say, "I have given you so much help, and you are cutting me?" No. Tolerant. Yes. Therefore Chaitanya Mahaprabhu has selected, taror api sahisnuna. And amanina manadena. For oneself one should not expect any respectful position, but he, the devotee, should offer all respect to anyone. Amanina manadena kirtaniyah sada harih. If we acquire this qualification, then we can chant Hare Krishna maha-mantra without any disturbance. This is the qualification.
Here Srila Prabhupada is confirming having heard from "friends" "THEY
all say" BUT with FURTHER pressure from Tamal Krishna he says "I do not
know, but it is said". We all know about the WHISPERS we heard: here is the
CONFIRMATION Srila Prabhupada DID hear. Again note carefully Srila
Prabhupada is NOT going to PROTEST at this ghastly systematic execution but
still as DUTY of an ACHARYA dictates he IS REVEALING it as: "they all "
"friends". Perfection of Simultaneous oneness and difference role.
Exchange 1 - Mixture of English, Hindi and Bengali (9/11/77)
Srila Prabhupada: Keu bole je keu poison kore diyeche. Hoy to tai.
Translation: Someone says that I've been poisoned. It's possible.
Balaram Mishra (?): Hmm?
Kaviraja: Kya farma rahe hain?
Translation: What is he saying?
Srila Prabhupada: Koi bolta hai je koi mujhko poison kiya gaya hai.
Translation: Someone says that someone has given poison.
Kaviraja: Kisko?
Translation: To whom?
Srila Prabhupada: Mujhko.
Translation: To me.
Kaviraja: Kaun bolta hai?
Translation: Who said?
Srila Prabhupada: Ye sab friends.
Translation: These all friends.
Bhakticharu: Ke boleche, Srila Prabhupada?
Translation: Who said, Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: Ke boleche.
Translation: They all say.
Tamal Krishna: Krishna das?
Kaviraja: Ao ko kaun poison dega? Kis liye dega?
Translation: Who would give you poison? Why would anyone do that?
Tamal Krishna: Who said that, Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: I do not know, but it is said.
Note: NOW Srila Prabhupada is disclosing the SYMPTOMS of POISONING. What happens when one is given poison. Again he is NOT protesting but still DISCLOSING the FACTS when a person is ACTUALLY given poison what happens. ALSO he CONFIRMS the ACCEPTED SYMPTOMS to be verified in a book.
Exchange 2 - Hindi Only (9/11/77)
Kaviraja: Yah, maharaj ji, kotha ap kaise bola aj ki apko koi bola hai ki apko poison diya hai. Ap ko kuch abhas hua hai, kya?
Translation: Maharaj, how did you say this, that someone has said that
someone has poisoned you? Have you felt something?
Srila Prabhupada: Nahin, aise koi bola je. debe-sa hi ja hota hai. Shayad koi kitab men likha hai.
Translation: No, not said, but when one is given poison, it happens like this. It's written in a book.
Once again NO PROTEST. Srila Prabhupada IS giving strong hints on the
symptoms in the book.
Exchange 3 - English Only (9/11/77)
Tamal Krishna: Srila Prabhupada? You said before that you... that it is said that you were poisoned?
Srila Prabhupada: No. These kinds of symptoms are seen when a man is poisoned. He said like that, not that I am poisoned.
Tamal Krishna: Did anyone tell you that, or you just know it from before?
Srila Prabhupada: I read something.
Science of Self Realisation 7
Krishna, God, is never tolerant of offenses committed at the lotus feet of a
We believe Srila Prabhupada was POSSIBLY poisoned. Srila Prabhupada KNEW it but did NOT protest on the contrary he FULFILLED their desires. Simultaneously Srila Prabhupada himself disclosed: Hoy to tai. He was POSSIBLY poisoned. The motive: discarding July 9th 1977 instruction (to implement the ritvik system) and usurp Srila Prabhupada's disciples and properties. Money, power, fame, self-aggrandizement of self made gurus (voted-in cheaters).
Srila Prabhupada: Keu bole je keu poison kore diyeche. Hoy to tai.
Translation: Someone says that I've been poisoned. IT'S POSSIBLE
Yes ---we agree HOY TO TAI.
Note: Vahi bat NOT ONLY means "That same discussion" but can ALSO mean: the
SAME words or the SAME talk.
Srila Prabhupada: Vahi bat... je koi hamko poison kiya.
Translation: That same discussion, that someone has poisoned me.
So instead of the above translation we have:
Translation: That SAME words... THAT: "SOMEONE HAS POISONED ME".