BY: MAHESH RAJA
Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit (Srila Prabhupada)
Holy Bible, John 14:16-18:
"And
I will ask the Father, and he will give you ANOTHER Counsellor to be
with you for ever---the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him,
because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he
lives with you and will be in you."
Srila Prabhupada the liberated devotee makes his appearance.
Caitanya-caritamrta Adi 1.58:
TRANSLATION
"Since one cannot visually experience the presence of the Supersoul, He appears before us as a liberated devotee. Such a spiritual master is none other than Krsna Himself.
PURPORT
It is not possible for a conditioned soul to directly meet Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but if one becomes a sincere devotee and seriously engages in devotional service, Lord Krsna sends an instructing spiritual master to show him favor and invoke his dormant propensity for serving the Supreme. The preceptor appears before the external senses of the fortunate conditioned soul, and at the same time the devotee is guided from within by the caittya-guru, Krsna, who is seated as the spiritual master within the heart of the living entity."
"Since one cannot visually experience the presence of the Supersoul, He appears before us as a liberated devotee. Such a spiritual master is none other than Krsna Himself.
PURPORT
It is not possible for a conditioned soul to directly meet Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but if one becomes a sincere devotee and seriously engages in devotional service, Lord Krsna sends an instructing spiritual master to show him favor and invoke his dormant propensity for serving the Supreme. The preceptor appears before the external senses of the fortunate conditioned soul, and at the same time the devotee is guided from within by the caittya-guru, Krsna, who is seated as the spiritual master within the heart of the living entity."
Holy Bible, John 14:26:
"But the Counsellor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name,
will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to
you."
Srila
Prabhupada is teaching the same message: how to serve Krishna through
the transparent via medium -- his books (instructions).
Caitanya-caritamrta Adi 1.35:
"If there is no chance to serve the spiritual master directly, a devotee
should serve him by remembering his instructions. There is NO DIFFERENCE
between the spiritual master's instructions and the spiritual master
himself. In his absence, therefore, his words of direction should be the
pride of the disciple."
Holy Bible, John 15:26:
"When the Counsellor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the
Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me."
Srila Prabhupada testifying about Jesus Christ
Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, June 28, 1974, Melbourne:
"Who will not respect Jesus Christ? He sacrificed everything for God,
even his life. So who is that rascal that he'll not respect to Jesus
Christ. What did he do wrong to the human society? He did everything for
the good of the human society. Oh, I have got very, very, great respect for
Lord Jesus Christ."
Srila Prabhupada Appearance Day Lecture, September 23, 1969, London:
"Scriptures are also different. Because scriptures are made according to
time, circumstances, people. Just like Bible. Bible Lord Jesus Christ
preached in the desert, Jerusalem. Or where it is? People who were not so
advanced. Therefore his first instruction is "Thou shall not kill." That
means they were very much engaged in killing affairs; otherwise, why is
this instruction? And actually, it so happened that they killed Jesus
Christ. So that society was not very enlightened society. So a scripture
for a society which is not very enlightened and a scripture for a society
which is very enlightened must be different. Just like a dictionary. For
the schoolboy, a pocket dictionary. And for a college student,
international, big dictionary. Both of them are dictionaries. But the small
pocket dictionary is not equal to the big dictionary. Because it is
different made for different classes of men. So scriptures are made
according to different classes of men. There are three classes of men:
first-class, second-class, and third-class. The third-class man cannot
understand the philosophy and scriptural injunctions of the first-class
man. That is not possible. Higher mathematics cannot be understood by the
small schoolboys who are simply trying to understand "Two plus two equal to
four." But "Two plus two equal to four" is equally good to the higher
mathematics student. But still, higher mathematics and lower math is
different."
The Work of the Holy Spirit (Srila Prabhupada)
Holy Bible, John 16:7-15:
"Unless I go away, the Counsellor will not come to you; but If I go, I will
send him to you. When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in
regard to sin and righteousness and judgement: in regard to sin, because
men do not believe in me; in regard to righteousness, because I am going to
the Father, where you can see me no longer; and in regard to judgement,
because the prince of this world now stands condemned."
It
is significant that Jesus Christ is saying, "unless I go away….". He
appears to be very eager to present his SUCCESSOR for the significant
change to follow in the impious lives of the people. On this point it is
note worthy to remember the prayer offered to Srila Prabhupada:
nirvesesa sunyavadi pascatya desa tarine
"YOU are delivering the WESTERN countries, filled with impersonalism and
voidism.
Also, "…because men do not believe in me" indicates they were not prepared
to give up meat eating ---Thou shall not kill.
Srila Prabhupada broke the four pillars of sinful life (meat eating, gambling, intoxication and illicit sex).
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Madhudvisa, January 26, 1970:
"Actually, one who is advanced will not find any contradiction. The
Christians teach love of Godhead, and we practically do it. So one has to
understand from the practical point of view. A man is judged by his
activities. We see that they are engaged in smoking habits, eating meat and
indulging in free mixing of boys and girls; these are not the activities of
religious persons. Lord Jesus said and the Bible also says, "Thou shalt not
Kill." But they are eating meat. So we must see practically if someone is
leading a pure life and not be blinded by some sentiment. Our students are
strictly observing the four rules or restraints from impure habits and they
are factually living according to the highest standard of religious life.
So we are actually following the principles of pure living in Krishna
Consciousness, but it appears that these followers of the Christian
philosophy have fallen down from the transcendental platform.
Holy Bible:
"I
have much more to say to you, MORE THAN YOU CAN NOW BEAR. But when he,
the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into ALL TRUTH."
There
are two points here (a) they could not bear any more instruction; and
(b) guidance in ALL TRUTH. In relation to (a) there is further mention
in the Bible:
(i) If you do not understand what is material, how will you understand spiritual?
(ii) I have many things to say unto you but your ears will not bear them as yet. Thus, it evidently clear that the people to whom he preached to were not advanced.
(ii) I have many things to say unto you but your ears will not bear them as yet. Thus, it evidently clear that the people to whom he preached to were not advanced.
In relation to (b) ALL TRUTH—we find that it is ONLY Srila Prabhupada who
actually gave COMPLETE information of the nature of the three features of
the Absolute Truth.
Bhagavad-gita 2.2:
"Krsna and the Supreme Personality of Godhead are identical. Therefore Lord
Krsna is referred to as "Bhagavan" throughout the Gita. Bhagavan is the
ultimate in Absolute Truth. Absolute Truth is realized in three phases of
understanding, namely Brahman, or the impersonal all-pervasive spirit;
Paramatma, or the localized aspect of the Supreme within the heart of all
living entities; and Bhagavan, or the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord
Krsna. In the Srimad-Bhagavatam (1.2.11) this conception of the Absolute
Truth is explained thus:
vadanti tat tattva-vidas
tattvam yaj jnanam advayam
brahmeti paramatmeti
bhagavan iti sabdyate
"The Absolute Truth is realized in three phases of understanding by the knower of the Absolute Truth, and all of them are identical. Such phases of the Absolute Truth are expressed as Brahman, Paramatma, and Bhagavan." These three divine aspects can be explained by the example of the sun, which also has three different aspects, namely the sunshine, the sun's surface and the sun planet itself. One who studies the sunshine only is the preliminary student. One who understands the sun's surface is further advanced. And one who can enter into the sun planet is the highest. Ordinary students who are satisfied simply by understanding the sunshine--its universal pervasiveness and the glaring effulgence of its impersonal nature--may be compared to those who can realize only the Brahman feature of the Absolute Truth. The student who has advanced still further can know the sun disc, which is compared to knowledge of the Paramatma feature of the Absolute Truth. And the student who can enter into the heart of the sun planet is compared to those who realize the personal features of the Supreme Absolute Truth. Therefore, the bhaktas, or the transcendentalists who have realized the Bhagavan feature of the Absolute Truth, are the topmost transcendentalists, although all students who are engaged in the study of the Absolute Truth are engaged in the same subject matter. The sunshine, the sun disc and the inner affairs of the sun planet cannot be separated from one another, and yet the students of the three different phases are not in the same category.
The Sanskrit word bhagavan is explained by the great authority, Parasara Muni, the father of Vyasadeva. The Supreme Personality who possesses all riches, all strength, all fame, all beauty, all knowledge and all renunciation is called Bhagavan."
vadanti tat tattva-vidas
tattvam yaj jnanam advayam
brahmeti paramatmeti
bhagavan iti sabdyate
"The Absolute Truth is realized in three phases of understanding by the knower of the Absolute Truth, and all of them are identical. Such phases of the Absolute Truth are expressed as Brahman, Paramatma, and Bhagavan." These three divine aspects can be explained by the example of the sun, which also has three different aspects, namely the sunshine, the sun's surface and the sun planet itself. One who studies the sunshine only is the preliminary student. One who understands the sun's surface is further advanced. And one who can enter into the sun planet is the highest. Ordinary students who are satisfied simply by understanding the sunshine--its universal pervasiveness and the glaring effulgence of its impersonal nature--may be compared to those who can realize only the Brahman feature of the Absolute Truth. The student who has advanced still further can know the sun disc, which is compared to knowledge of the Paramatma feature of the Absolute Truth. And the student who can enter into the heart of the sun planet is compared to those who realize the personal features of the Supreme Absolute Truth. Therefore, the bhaktas, or the transcendentalists who have realized the Bhagavan feature of the Absolute Truth, are the topmost transcendentalists, although all students who are engaged in the study of the Absolute Truth are engaged in the same subject matter. The sunshine, the sun disc and the inner affairs of the sun planet cannot be separated from one another, and yet the students of the three different phases are not in the same category.
The Sanskrit word bhagavan is explained by the great authority, Parasara Muni, the father of Vyasadeva. The Supreme Personality who possesses all riches, all strength, all fame, all beauty, all knowledge and all renunciation is called Bhagavan."
Srimad Bhagavatam 3.15.47:
TRANSLATION
"We know that You are the Supreme Absolute Truth, the Personality of Godhead, who manifests His transcendental form in the uncontaminated mode of pure goodness. This transcendental, eternal form of Your personality can be understood only by Your mercy, through unflinching devotional service, by great sages whose hearts have been purified in the devotional way.
PURPORT
The Absolute Truth can be understood in three features—impersonal Brahman, localized Paramatma, and Bhagavan, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Here it is admitted that the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the last word in understanding the Absolute Truth. Even though the four Kumaras were instructed by their great learned father, Brahma, they could not actually understand the Absolute Truth. They could only understand the Supreme Absolute Truth when they personally SAW the Personality of Godhead with their own eyes. In other words, if one sees or understands the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the other two features of the Absolute Truth—namely impersonal Brahman and localized Paramatma—are also automatically understood. Therefore the Kumaras confirm: "You are the ultimate Absolute Truth." The impersonalist may argue that since the Supreme Personality of Godhead was so nicely decorated, He was therefore not the Absolute Truth. But here it is confirmed that all the variegatedness of the absolute platform is constituted of Suddha-sattva, pure goodness. In the material world, any quality—goodness, passion or ignorance—is contaminated. Even the quality of goodness here in the material world is not free from tinges of passion and ignorance. But in the transcendental world, only pure goodness, without any tinge of passion or ignorance, exists; therefore the form of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and His variegated pastimes and paraphernalia are all pure sattva-guna. Such variegatedness in pure goodness is exhibited eternally by the Lord for the satisfaction of the devotee. The devotee does not want to see the Supreme Personality of Absolute Truth in voidness or impersonalism. In one sense, absolute transcendental variegatedness is meant only for the devotees, not for others, because this distinct feature of transcendental variegatedness can be understood only by the mercy of the Supreme Lord and not by mental speculation or the ascending process. It is said that one can understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead when one is even slightly favored by Him; otherwise, without His mercy, a man may speculate for thousands of years and not understand what is actually the Absolute Truth. This mercy can be perceived by the devotee when he is completely freed from contamination. It is stated, therefore, that only when all contamination is rooted out and the devotee is completely detached from material attractions can he receive this mercy of the Lord."
"We know that You are the Supreme Absolute Truth, the Personality of Godhead, who manifests His transcendental form in the uncontaminated mode of pure goodness. This transcendental, eternal form of Your personality can be understood only by Your mercy, through unflinching devotional service, by great sages whose hearts have been purified in the devotional way.
PURPORT
The Absolute Truth can be understood in three features—impersonal Brahman, localized Paramatma, and Bhagavan, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Here it is admitted that the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the last word in understanding the Absolute Truth. Even though the four Kumaras were instructed by their great learned father, Brahma, they could not actually understand the Absolute Truth. They could only understand the Supreme Absolute Truth when they personally SAW the Personality of Godhead with their own eyes. In other words, if one sees or understands the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the other two features of the Absolute Truth—namely impersonal Brahman and localized Paramatma—are also automatically understood. Therefore the Kumaras confirm: "You are the ultimate Absolute Truth." The impersonalist may argue that since the Supreme Personality of Godhead was so nicely decorated, He was therefore not the Absolute Truth. But here it is confirmed that all the variegatedness of the absolute platform is constituted of Suddha-sattva, pure goodness. In the material world, any quality—goodness, passion or ignorance—is contaminated. Even the quality of goodness here in the material world is not free from tinges of passion and ignorance. But in the transcendental world, only pure goodness, without any tinge of passion or ignorance, exists; therefore the form of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and His variegated pastimes and paraphernalia are all pure sattva-guna. Such variegatedness in pure goodness is exhibited eternally by the Lord for the satisfaction of the devotee. The devotee does not want to see the Supreme Personality of Absolute Truth in voidness or impersonalism. In one sense, absolute transcendental variegatedness is meant only for the devotees, not for others, because this distinct feature of transcendental variegatedness can be understood only by the mercy of the Supreme Lord and not by mental speculation or the ascending process. It is said that one can understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead when one is even slightly favored by Him; otherwise, without His mercy, a man may speculate for thousands of years and not understand what is actually the Absolute Truth. This mercy can be perceived by the devotee when he is completely freed from contamination. It is stated, therefore, that only when all contamination is rooted out and the devotee is completely detached from material attractions can he receive this mercy of the Lord."
The Bible also says: Blessed are the pure in the heart for they shall SEE
God. So this fully corresponds to the above, where the Kumaras SAW God
(Bhagavan realization).
Holy Bible:
"He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he
will tell you WHAT IS YET TO COME. "
Srila
Prabhupada the liberated devotee is giving the purports to the
Srimad-Bhagavatam, predicting events to happen in the future.
Srila Prabhupada Conversation, August 31, 1973, London:
Hamsaduta: "Actually in the Bible there's, someone mentions there the
description that the Lord will come and He will ride on a white steed, on a
white horse. And at that time he will kill all the non-devotee people. It's
also in the Bible.
Guest (1): Yes.
Prabhupada: So this Kalki, this incarnation of Krsna which comes at the end of this age, He's described, He will come and ride on a white horse all over the world, and He will...,
Prabhupada: Kill."
Guest (1): Yes.
Prabhupada: So this Kalki, this incarnation of Krsna which comes at the end of this age, He's described, He will come and ride on a white horse all over the world, and He will...,
Prabhupada: Kill."
Srimad Bhagavatam 1.3.24:
"Srimad-Bhagavatam
was composed just prior to the beginning of the age of
Kali (about five thousand years ago), and Lord Buddha appeared about
twenty-six hundred years ago. Therefore in the Srimad-Bhagavatam Lord
Buddha is foretold. Such is the authority of this clear scripture. There
Are many such prophecies, and they are being fulfilled one after
another. They will indicate the positive standing of Srimad-Bhagavatam,
which is without trace of mistake, illusion, cheating and imperfection,
which are the four flaws of all conditioned souls. The liberated souls
are above these flaws; therefore they can see and foretell things which
are to take place on distant future dates.
TRANSLATION
Thereafter, at the conjunction of two yugas, the Lord of the creation will take His birth as the Kalki incarnation and become the son of Visnu Yasha. At this time the rulers of the earth will have degenerated into plunderers.
PURPORT
Here is another foretelling of the advent of Lord Kalki, the incarnation of Godhead. He is to appear at the conjunction of the two yugas, namely at the end of Kali-yuga and the beginning of Satya-yuga. The cycle of the four yugas, namely Satya, Treta, Dvapara and Kali, rotates like the calendar months. The present Kali-yuga lasts 432,000 years, out of which we have passed only 5,000 years after the Battle of Kurukshetra and the end of the regime of King Pariksit. So there are 427,000 years balance yet to be finished. Therefore at the end of this period, the incarnation of Kalki will take place, as foretold in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. The name of His father, Visnu Yasha, a learned brahmana, and the village Sambhala are also mentioned. As above mentioned, all these foretellings will prove to be factual in chronological order. That is the authority of Srimad-Bhagavatam."
TRANSLATION
Thereafter, at the conjunction of two yugas, the Lord of the creation will take His birth as the Kalki incarnation and become the son of Visnu Yasha. At this time the rulers of the earth will have degenerated into plunderers.
PURPORT
Here is another foretelling of the advent of Lord Kalki, the incarnation of Godhead. He is to appear at the conjunction of the two yugas, namely at the end of Kali-yuga and the beginning of Satya-yuga. The cycle of the four yugas, namely Satya, Treta, Dvapara and Kali, rotates like the calendar months. The present Kali-yuga lasts 432,000 years, out of which we have passed only 5,000 years after the Battle of Kurukshetra and the end of the regime of King Pariksit. So there are 427,000 years balance yet to be finished. Therefore at the end of this period, the incarnation of Kalki will take place, as foretold in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. The name of His father, Visnu Yasha, a learned brahmana, and the village Sambhala are also mentioned. As above mentioned, all these foretellings will prove to be factual in chronological order. That is the authority of Srimad-Bhagavatam."
Srimad Bhagavatam 5.2.1:
"Srimad-Bhagavatam predicts that in Kali-yuga the government will be
entrusted with dasyu-dharma, which means the occupational duty of rogues
and thieves. Modern heads of state are rogues and thieves who plunder the
citizens instead of giving them protection. Rogues and thieves plunder
without regard for law, but in this age of Kali, as stated in
Srimad-Bhagavatam, the lawmakers themselves plunder the citizens. The next
prediction to be fulfilled, which is already coming to pass, is that
because of the sinful activities of the citizens and the government, rain
will become increasingly scarce. Gradually there will be complete drought
and no production of food grains. People will be reduced to eating flesh
and seeds, and many good, spiritually inclined people will have to forsake
their homes because they will be too harassed by drought, taxation and
famine. The Krsna consciousness movement is the only hope to save the world
from such devastation. It is the most scientific and authorized movement
for the actual welfare of the whole human society."
Holy Bible:
"He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known
to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the
Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you."
Krishna
is the property of his pure devotee. Jesus Christ said, "Hallowed be
Thy Name" and Srila Prabhupada gives us this Name: Hare Krishna Hare
Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare \ Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare
Hare.
Srila Prabhupada is the TRANSPARENT VIA-MEDIUM who gives us Krsna.
Srila Prabhupada Interview, July 14, 1976, New York:
Bali-mardana: "In other words, when you decide that someone is to
be in charge of a particular temple does Krsna tell you that this person
should be in charge.
Interviewer: Or do you by judging him say this person is qualified.
Prabhupada: Yes, because a devotee always consults Krsna and He gives order.
Interviewer: It's a more direct communication.
Prabhupada: Yes. And He gives order.
Ramesvara: Because intelligence, our philosophy is that intelligence comes from Krsna. So if I have some...
Interviewer: And your philosophy is that your daily necessities come from Krsna as well.
Ramesvara: Yes, try to understand. Suppose my intelligence sees that this person is qualified, that means Krsna has told me.
Prabhupada: NO, NOT NECESSARILY, KRSNA WILL TELL DIRECTLY. A DEVOTEE ALWAYS CONSULTS KRSNA AND KRSNA TELLS HIM, "DO LIKE THIS." NOT FIGURATIVELY.
Interviewer: Does that apply then to other kinds of decisions and other kinds of activities as well?
Prabhupada: Everything. Because a devotee does not do anything without consulting Krsna."
Interviewer: Or do you by judging him say this person is qualified.
Prabhupada: Yes, because a devotee always consults Krsna and He gives order.
Interviewer: It's a more direct communication.
Prabhupada: Yes. And He gives order.
Ramesvara: Because intelligence, our philosophy is that intelligence comes from Krsna. So if I have some...
Interviewer: And your philosophy is that your daily necessities come from Krsna as well.
Ramesvara: Yes, try to understand. Suppose my intelligence sees that this person is qualified, that means Krsna has told me.
Prabhupada: NO, NOT NECESSARILY, KRSNA WILL TELL DIRECTLY. A DEVOTEE ALWAYS CONSULTS KRSNA AND KRSNA TELLS HIM, "DO LIKE THIS." NOT FIGURATIVELY.
Interviewer: Does that apply then to other kinds of decisions and other kinds of activities as well?
Prabhupada: Everything. Because a devotee does not do anything without consulting Krsna."
Caitanya-caritamrta Antya 5.71:
"One
is forbidden to accept the guru, or spiritual master, as an ordinary
human being (gurusu nara-mati). When Ramananda Raya spoke to Pradyumna
Misra, Pradyumna Misra could understand that Ramananda Raya was not an
ordinary human being. A SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED PERSON WHO ACTS WITH
AUTHORITY, AS THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, SPEAKS AS THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF
GODHEAD DICTATES FROM WITHIN. THUS IT IS NOT HE THAT IS PERSONALLY
SPEAKING. WHEN A PURE DEVOTEE OR SPIRITUAL MASTER SPEAKS, WHAT HE SAYS
SHOULD BE ACaitanya-caritamrtaEPTED AS HAVING BEEN DIRECTLY SPOKEN BY
THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD IN THE PARAMPARA SYSTEM."
Further analysis of John 14:26:
Holy Bible:
"But the counsellor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name
will teach you ALL THINGS and will REMIND you of EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID TO YOU."
Now we will be able to see the demonstration by the Holy Spirit (Srila Prabhupada) of the above.
Demonstration
Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam, September 1, 1972, New Vrindaban:
"So sound is the original element of creation. In Sanskrit language it is
called sabda-brahma. Brahman, or the Absolute Truth, is first appeared
Absolute Truth becomes knowable by sound. In the Bhagavad-gita it is said,
the Lord says, raso 'ham apsu kaunteya prabhasmi sasi-suryayoh, sabdah khe.
Sabda means sound. If we want to see God, so let us hear first of all the
sound vibration, because that is the beginning. In the Bible also it is
said, "The Lord said, 'Let there be creation,' and there was creation." So
"Let there be creation," this is sound, transcendental sound. So one who
says this word, "Let there be creation," He is not within the creation.
Because He, God, is speaking, "Let there be creation"
Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, January 12, 1974, Los Angeles:
Prajapati: "...from politics to the world of theology. One of the most
misunderstood passages in the western scriptures, things that are..., most
speculation about, is the beginning of the Book of John, where it is said,
"In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was
God." And that Greek word is logos. And so many people have said so many
different things about that passage. No one really understands it.
Prabhupada: They cannot understand the Absolute. GOD AND GOD'S WORD ARE NOT DIFFERENT. OTHERWISE, WHY WE ARE AFTER BHAGAVAD-GITA? BECAUSE BHAGAVAD-GITA IS THE WORDS OF GOD. SO AS GOOD AS GOD.
Umapati: Absolute?
Prabhupada: Absolute, yes.
Svarupa Damodara: We also say that. We say that the beginning the sound vibration om was there. Om.
Prabhupada: Yes. Sabdad anavrtti. In Vedanta-sutra, sabdad anavrtti. Sabdat. By vibration.
Prajapati: But it goes on to say, "Then the word then came down to earth and dwelt with man as Jesus Christ." They say Lord Jesus Christ was the word incarnate.
Prabhupada: That's all right.
Umapati: Incarnate means flesh, having come down in flesh.
Prabhupada: That's all right.
Prajapati: From our Krsna conscious standpoint, this means a person who is jagad-guru, who is fully living sastra, and therefore non-different from the word of God?
Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Because he is following the words of God, THEREFORE HE IS NOT DIFFERENT FROM THE WORDS OF GOD. It is practical. Just like a lawyer is not different from the law. Therefore he is called lawyer."
Prabhupada: They cannot understand the Absolute. GOD AND GOD'S WORD ARE NOT DIFFERENT. OTHERWISE, WHY WE ARE AFTER BHAGAVAD-GITA? BECAUSE BHAGAVAD-GITA IS THE WORDS OF GOD. SO AS GOOD AS GOD.
Umapati: Absolute?
Prabhupada: Absolute, yes.
Svarupa Damodara: We also say that. We say that the beginning the sound vibration om was there. Om.
Prabhupada: Yes. Sabdad anavrtti. In Vedanta-sutra, sabdad anavrtti. Sabdat. By vibration.
Prajapati: But it goes on to say, "Then the word then came down to earth and dwelt with man as Jesus Christ." They say Lord Jesus Christ was the word incarnate.
Prabhupada: That's all right.
Umapati: Incarnate means flesh, having come down in flesh.
Prabhupada: That's all right.
Prajapati: From our Krsna conscious standpoint, this means a person who is jagad-guru, who is fully living sastra, and therefore non-different from the word of God?
Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Because he is following the words of God, THEREFORE HE IS NOT DIFFERENT FROM THE WORDS OF GOD. It is practical. Just like a lawyer is not different from the law. Therefore he is called lawyer."
Prajapati has made a very valid point here. In this context let us take a look at the form of address to Srila Prabhupada:
namo om VISNU-padaya krsna-presthyabhu-tale
srimate BHAKTIVEDANTA-SVAMIN ITI NAMINE
namo om VISNU-padaya krsna-presthyabhu-tale
srimate BHAKTIVEDANTA-SVAMIN ITI NAMINE
So Srila Prabhupada is worshiped on the level of Lord Visnu (Krsna) because
he is a TRANSPARENT VIA MEDIUM representative who accepts our service on
behalf of the Lord.
Srila Prabhupada Garden Conversation, June 8, 1976, Los Angeles:
Prabhupada: "Krsna's representative means the representative says the same
thing as Krsna says. Krsna says "Surrender unto Me," and the representative
says "Surrender to Krsna." AND BECAUSE HE DELIVERS THE REAL KNOWLEDGE, HE'S
AS GOOD AS KRSNA. THEREFORE SAKSAD-DHARITVENA SAMASTA-SASTRAIR UKTAS TATHA
BHAVYATA EVA SADBHIH. THE SPIRITUAL MASTER MAY APPEAR TO BE JUST LIKE A
COMMON MAN, BUT HE IS TO BE RESPECTED AS GOD, BECAUSE HE DELIVERS THE REAL
MESSAGE OF GOD. That is the qualification of spiritual master. He does not
manufacture anything. That is very easy. If I carry your message and
educate people in that way, then there is no difficulty for me. Everything
is there. Why shall I go to manufacture something imperfect? The perfect
thing is already there. Simply I have to carry. A post peon--the money
order is there, he has to simply carry and deliver to the person. And if he
gets at time of need, he thanks the peon, "Oh, you have saved my life." It
is like that. The message is already there. You have to simply deliver to
the suffering humanity. Then he'll be relieved. And because he delivers the
real reality, therefore he's worshiped as God. Saksad-dharitvena
samasta-sastrair uktas tatha bhavyata eva sadbhih. ACARYAM MAM HI
VIJANIYAT. KRSNA ALSO SAYS ACARYA IS..., "I AM ACARYA."
Srila Prabhupada Lecture, October 2, 1968, Seattle:
Tamala Krsna: "Can a Christian in this age, without a spiritual master, but
by reading the Bible and following Jesus's words, reach the...
Prabhupada: When you read Bible, you follow spiritual master. How can you say without? As soon as you read Bible, that means you are following the instruction of Lord Jesus Christ, that means you are following spiritual master. So where is the opportunity of being without spiritual master?
Madhudvisa: I was referring to a LIVING spiritual master.
Prabhupada: Spiritual master is NOT the question of... SPIRITUAL MASTER IS ETERNAL. SPIRITUAL MASTER IS ETERNAL. So your question is without spiritual master. Without spiritual master you cannot be, at any stage of your life. You may accept this spiritual master or that spiritual master. That is a different thing. But you have to accept. As you say that "by reading Bible," when you read Bible that means you are following the spiritual master represented by some priest or some clergyman in the line of Lord Jesus Christ. So any case, you have to follow a spiritual master. There cannot be the question without spiritual master. Is that clear?"
Prabhupada: When you read Bible, you follow spiritual master. How can you say without? As soon as you read Bible, that means you are following the instruction of Lord Jesus Christ, that means you are following spiritual master. So where is the opportunity of being without spiritual master?
Madhudvisa: I was referring to a LIVING spiritual master.
Prabhupada: Spiritual master is NOT the question of... SPIRITUAL MASTER IS ETERNAL. SPIRITUAL MASTER IS ETERNAL. So your question is without spiritual master. Without spiritual master you cannot be, at any stage of your life. You may accept this spiritual master or that spiritual master. That is a different thing. But you have to accept. As you say that "by reading Bible," when you read Bible that means you are following the spiritual master represented by some priest or some clergyman in the line of Lord Jesus Christ. So any case, you have to follow a spiritual master. There cannot be the question without spiritual master. Is that clear?"
Reservoir of Pleasure:
"Some people argue that Arjuna was talking with Krsna because Krsna was
present before him, whereas in my case, Krsna is not present. So how can I
get directions? But that is not a fact. Krsna is present by His words--the
Bhagavad-gita. In India, when we speak on the Bhagavad-gita or
Srimad-Bhagavatam, we regularly perform worship with flowers, or with other
paraphernalia, as is required for worshiping. In the Sikh religion also,
although they have no form of the Deity, they worship the book
Granthasahib. Perhaps some of you are acquainted with this Sikh community.
They worship this Grantha. Similarly, the Moslems worship the Koran.
Similarly, in the Christian world, the Bible is worshiped. IT IS A FACT
that the Lord Jesus Christ IS PRESENT by His WORDS. Krsna is also present
by His words.
THESE PERSONALITIES, EITHER GOD OR THE SON OF GOD, WHO COME FROM THE
TRANSCENDENTAL WORLD, KEEP THEIR TRANSCENDENTAL IDENTITIES WITHOUT BEING
CONTAMINATED BY THE MATERIAL WORLD. THAT IS THEIR OMNIPOTENCE. WE ARE IN
THE HABIT OF SAYING THAT GOD IS OMNIPOTENT. OMNIPOTENCE MEANS THAT HE IS
NOT DIFFERENT FROM HIS NAME, FROM HIS QUALITY, FROM HIS PASTIMES, FROM HIS
INSTRUCTION. THEREFORE, THE DISCUSSION OF BHAGAVAD-GITA IS AS GOOD AS
DISCUSSION WITH KRSNA HIMSELF."
Similarly we can still get direction from Srila Prabhupada, WHO IS PRESENT BY HIS WORDS, DEITY TO GIVE US GUIDANCE.
Holy Bible, John 14:18-21:
"I will not leave you fatherless; I am coming to you. A little while, and
the world will see me no more: but you will see me; because I am living you
will live also. In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you
in me and I in you. Whoever keeps my commands, and regards them, It is he
who loves me; and one who loves me will be loved by my Father: and I will
love him, and will make myself known to him."
When
Jesus Christ is saying that the world will see him no longer is when he
is not physically present; but one can see him through his
instructions, which are not different from him (spiritual masters
instructions are not different from him).
When
he says I will not leave you Fatherless----he is giving the world
Srila Prabhupada who like him is the Spiritual master the transparent
via
medium through whom we get Krsna. This identical philosophy which Jesus
Christ talked is called acintya-bhedabheda-tattva (simultaneous oneness
and
difference). Jesus is talking as a pure devotee and SIMULTANEOUSLY
CHRIST(KRSNA) IS ALSO TALKING THROUGH HIS PURE DEVOTEE.
This "I am coming to you " is also referring to Krsna's appearance as
the
Holy spirit (Visnu, Supersoul ) who manifests EXTERNALLY AS THE
LIBERATED
DEVOTEE. ALSO SINCE SRILA PRABHUPADA IS NOT DIFFERENT FROM HIS
INSTRUCTIONS(HIS BOOKS) DEVOTEES ARE SAVED FROM APPROACHING SOME CHEATER
WHO IS POSING AS SPIRITUAL MASTER. THEREFORE "EXTERNAL SENSES" QUOTED
BELOW IS CORRECT.
Remember Lord Visnu the Paramatma (Holy spirit) feature, He appears
as the external manifestation, as Srila Prabhupada, LIBERATED DEVOTEE.
Caitanya-caritamrta Adi 1.58:
TRANSLATION
"Since one CANNOT VISUALLY EXPERIENCE THE PRESENCE OF THE SUPERSOUL, HE APPEARS BEFORE US AS A LIBERATED DEVOTEE. Such a spiritual master is none other than Krsna Himself.
PURPORT
It is not possible for a conditioned soul to directly meet Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but if one becomes a sincere devotee and seriously engages in devotional service, Lord Krsna sends an instructing spiritual master to show him favor and invoke his dormant propensity for serving the Supreme. THE PRECEPTOR APPEARS BEFORE THE EXTERNAL SENSES OF THE FORTUNATE CONDITIONED SOUL, AND AT THE SAME TIME THE DEVOTEE IS GUIDED FROM WITHIN BY THE CAITTYA-GURU, KRSNA, WHO IS SEATED AS THE SPIRITUAL MASTER WITHIN THE HEART OF THE LIVING ENTITY."
"Since one CANNOT VISUALLY EXPERIENCE THE PRESENCE OF THE SUPERSOUL, HE APPEARS BEFORE US AS A LIBERATED DEVOTEE. Such a spiritual master is none other than Krsna Himself.
PURPORT
It is not possible for a conditioned soul to directly meet Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but if one becomes a sincere devotee and seriously engages in devotional service, Lord Krsna sends an instructing spiritual master to show him favor and invoke his dormant propensity for serving the Supreme. THE PRECEPTOR APPEARS BEFORE THE EXTERNAL SENSES OF THE FORTUNATE CONDITIONED SOUL, AND AT THE SAME TIME THE DEVOTEE IS GUIDED FROM WITHIN BY THE CAITTYA-GURU, KRSNA, WHO IS SEATED AS THE SPIRITUAL MASTER WITHIN THE HEART OF THE LIVING ENTITY."
Acintya-bhedabheda-tattva (philosophical truth of simultaneous oneness and difference)
Srimad Bhagavatam 2.6.13-16:
"The Supreme Personality of Godhead, by His partial representation,
measuring not more than nine inches as Supersoul, expands by His potential
energy in the shape of the universal form, which includes everything
manifested in different varieties of organic and inorganic materials. The
manifested varieties of the universe are therefore not different from the
Lord, just as golden ornaments of different shapes and forms are
nondifferent from the original stock reserve of gold. In other words, the
Lord is the Supreme Person who controls everything within the creation, and
still He remains the supreme separate identity, distinct from all
manifested material creation. In the Bhagavad-gita (9.4-5) He is therefore
said to be Yogesvara. Everything rests on the potency of Lord Sri Krsna,
and still the Lord is different from and transcendental to all such
identities. In the Vedic Purusa-sukta of the Rg mantra, this is also
confirmed. This philosophical truth of simultaneous oneness and difference
was propounded by Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and it is known as
acintya-bhedabheda-tattva. BRAHMA, NARADA AND ALL OTHERS ARE SIMULTANEOUSLY
ONE WITH THE LORD AND DIFFERENT FROM THE SUPREME LORD. We are all one with
Him, just as the gold ornaments are one in quality with the stock gold, but
the individual gold ornament is never equal in quantity with the stock
gold. THE STOCK GOLD IS NEVER EXHAUSTED EVEN IF THERE ARE INNUMERABLE
ORNAMENTS EMANATING FROM THE STOCK BECAUSE THE STOCK IS PURNAM, COMPLETE;
EVEN IF PURNAM IS DEDUCTED FROM THE PURNAM, STILL THE SUPREME PURNAM
REMAINS THE SAME PURNAM. THIS FACT IS INCONCEIVABLE TO OUR PRESENT
IMPERFECT SENSES. LORD CAITANYA THEREFORE DEFINED HIS THEORY OF PHILOSOPHY
AS ACINTYA (INCONCEIVABLE), AND AS CONFIRMED IN THE BHAGAVAD-GITA AS WELL
AS IN THE BHAGAVATAM, LORD CAITANYA'S THEORY OF ACINTYA-BHEDABHEDA-TATTVA
IS THE PERFECT PHILOSOPHY OF THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH."
Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, May 13, 1973, Los Angeles:
Paramahamsa: "Srila Prabhupada, when you are not present with us, how is it
possible to receive instructions, for example, on questions that may arise?
Prabhupada: WELL, THE QUESTIONS... ANSWERS ARE THERE IN MY BOOKS.
Paramahamsa: Other than that, for example, that we would ask you in...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Paramahamsa: Do you direct us also through the heart? Besides the Paramatma?
Prabhupada: IF YOUR HEART IS PURE. Everything depends on purity.
Prabhupada: WELL, THE QUESTIONS... ANSWERS ARE THERE IN MY BOOKS.
Paramahamsa: Other than that, for example, that we would ask you in...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Paramahamsa: Do you direct us also through the heart? Besides the Paramatma?
Prabhupada: IF YOUR HEART IS PURE. Everything depends on purity.
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Sivananda, April 19, 1968:
"Regarding
the Christian's Trinity, I believe it is called God, the Holy
Ghost, and the son. Person in Krishna Consciousness accepts this by the
name Visnu, Paramatma, and Jiva. God is a Person, the holy spirit or the
supersoul is a person, and the living entity is also a person. Also,
Mary
is the representation of the energy of God. Either as internal energy
Radharani or as external energy Durga, the energy of Godhead can be
considered the mother of the living entities. But there is no clash
between
the Bible and the Vedas, simply some people formulate their personal
ideas
and cause quarrelings. Nobody can say the Bible was meant for the same
class of men as the Bhagavad-gita. And Bhagavad-gita is the ABC's of
Spiritual knowledge. Beyond that is Srimad-Bhagavatam. How great
Srimad-Bhagavatam is nobody can imagine. And beyond that is Caitanya
Caritamrta. But beginning from the Bible or Koran, on up the principle
remains the same. Just like beginning from the pocket dictionary"
Srimad Bhagavatam 6.5.20:
"In
the Bible, which is also sastra, one will find the same advice: one
should cease materialistic life and return to the kingdom of God."
Srimad Bhagavatam 10.13.62:
"He
who appeared before Brahma as a human child was in fact the Absolute
Truth, Parabrahman (brahmeti paramatmeti bhagavan iti sabdyate). The
Supreme Lord is narakrti; that is, He resembles a human being. It is not
that He is four-armed (catur-bahu). Narayana is catur-bahu, but the
Supreme
Person resembles a human being. This is also confirmed in the Bible,
where
it is said that man was made in the image of God. Lord Brahma saw that
Krsna, in His form as a cowherd boy, was Parabrahman, the root cause of
everything, but was now appearing as a human child, loitering in
Vrndavana with a morsel of food in His hand."
Perfect Questions, Perfect Answers, 3:
"Srila Prabhupada: He supplies everything to everyone. He is supplying food
to everyone. So He is the Father. So why should you not pray, "Father, give
me this"? Just as in the Christian Bible there is, "Father, give us our
daily bread." That is good--they are accepting the Supreme Father. But
grown-up children should not ask from the father; rather, they should be
prepared to serve the father. That is bhakti [devotion]."
Caitanya-caritamrta Adi 17.168:
"In our practical preaching work we meet many Christians who talk about
statements of the Bible. When we question whether God is limited or
unlimited, Christian priests say that God is unlimited. But when we
question why the unlimited God should have only one son and not unlimited
sons, they are unable to answer. Similarly, from a scientific point of
view, the answers of the Old Testament, New Testament and Koran to many
questions have changed. But a sastra cannot change at a person's whim. All
sastras must be free from the four defects of human nature. The statements
of sastras must be correct for all time."
Caitanya-caritamrta Adi 17.169:
"Sometimes Christian priests come to us inquiring, "Why are our followers
neglecting our scriptures and accepting yours?" But when we ask them, "Your
Bible says, 'Do not kill.' Why then are you killing so many animals daily?"
they cannot answer. Some of them imperfectly answer that the animals have
no souls. But then we ask them, "How do you know that animals have no
souls? Animals and children are of the same nature. Does this mean that the
children of human society also have no souls?" According to the Vedic
scriptures, within the body is the owner of the body, the soul. In the
Bhagavad-gita (2.13) it is said:
dehino 'smin yatha dehe
kaumaram yauvanam jara
tatha dehantara-praptir
dhiras tatra na muhyati
"As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. The self-realized soul is not bewildered by such a change."
Because the soul is within the body, the body changes through so many forms. There is a soul within the body of every living entity, whether animal, tree, bird or human being, and the soul is transmigrating from one type of body to another. When the scriptures of the yavanas--namely, the Old Testament, New Testament and Koran--cannot properly answer inquisitive followers, naturally those advanced in scientific knowledge and philosophy lose faith in such scriptures. The Kazi admitted this while talking with Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. The Kazi was a very intelligent person."
dehino 'smin yatha dehe
kaumaram yauvanam jara
tatha dehantara-praptir
dhiras tatra na muhyati
"As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. The self-realized soul is not bewildered by such a change."
Because the soul is within the body, the body changes through so many forms. There is a soul within the body of every living entity, whether animal, tree, bird or human being, and the soul is transmigrating from one type of body to another. When the scriptures of the yavanas--namely, the Old Testament, New Testament and Koran--cannot properly answer inquisitive followers, naturally those advanced in scientific knowledge and philosophy lose faith in such scriptures. The Kazi admitted this while talking with Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. The Kazi was a very intelligent person."
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Vrndavana Candra, July 19, 1970:
"Question the fifth: If Mohammed as the servant of God and Lord Jesus
Christ is the son of God, then where is the break of the disciplic
succession. After all the disciplic sucession is beginning from God, so how
do you find that there is no disciplic succession? If the original tree has
branches, twigs and leaves and they are in touch with the original tree, it
is alright. The test is whether the line is in touch with the Supreme--that
is all.
Although Mohammed and Jesus Christ appeared in the Kali Yuga their instruction is as it is because the persons to whom they had to speak could not understand any more and they find it difficult to understand even that much.
Although Mohammed and Jesus Christ appeared in the Kali Yuga their instruction is as it is because the persons to whom they had to speak could not understand any more and they find it difficult to understand even that much.
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Aniruddha, November 14, 1968:
"Your
next question, "Is a pure devotee eternally liberated and if so is
he at any time a conditioned soul? We are eternally conditioned, but as
soon as we surrender to Krishna do we then become eternally liberated?
When
Lord Christ appeared he seemed to be conditioned in his growth. Was he a
specific incarnation or a conditioned soul who became liberated?" You
are
not eternally conditioned. You are eternally liberated but since we have
become conditioned on account of our desire to enjoy materialistic way
of
life, from time immemorial, therefore it appears that we are eternally
conditioned. Because we cannot trace out the history or the date when we
became conditioned, therefore it is technically called eternally
conditioned. Otherwise the living entity is not actually conditioned. A
living entity is always pure. But he is prone to be attracted by
material
enjoyment and as soon as he agrees to place himself in material
enjoyment,
he becomes conditioned, but that is not permanent. Therefore a living
entity is called on the marginal state, sometimes this side, sometimes
that
side. These are very intelligent questions. And I am very glad that you
are
putting such intelligent questions and trying to understand it. It is
very
good. But best thing is that one should know he is in conditioned life
and
try to cure it. When a man is in diseased condition he should try to get
out of diseased condition without harassing his brain when the disease
has
begun. But it is to be understood that the disease is not our constant
companion, it is temporary. So the best thing is to cure the disease,
and
not waste our time to find out the date when it began. Forgetfulness of
Krishna is the disease, so let us keep ourselves always in Krishna
Consciousness, and get out of the disease, that is healthy life. Yes,
Lord
Jesus was jivatattva. He is not Visnu tattva. When a jiva tattva becomes
specifically empowered by the Lord, he is called saktyavesa avatara.
LORD
BUDDHA AND LORD JESUS CHRIST WERE IN THIS GROUP OF SAKTYAVESA AVATARA.
But they were not in conditioned state when they appeared; they came to
teach here."
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Bhagava, March 2, 1970:
"Regarding
the end of devotees of Lord Jesus Christ, they can go to
heaven, that is all. That is a planet in the material world. A devotee
of
Lord Jesus Christ is one who is strictly following the ten commandments.
Now just like in the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" this is a moral
instruction for the sinful man. Similarly Lord Buddha also emphasized
ahimsa paramadharma "the highest religion is nonviolence." So these
instructions are for the sinful men. When one is pious, instead of being
sinful, he is promoted to the higher planetary systems like Janaloka,
Mahaloka, or Tapaloka and they are above the planet Svargaloka. So
persons
who are cleansed of sinful life become eligible for spiritual life. FROM
THE INSTRUCTIONS OF LORD JESUS CHRIST WE FIND THAT THE STRESS IS GIVEN
TO
MAKE MEN FREE FROM SINFUL LIFE--SUCH AS "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" "THOU
SHALT
NOT COVET"--LIKE THAT. THEREFORE THE CONCLUSION IS THAT THE DEVOTEES OF
LORD JESUS CHRIST ARE PROMOTED TO THE HEAVENLY PLANETS WHICH ARE WITHIN
THIS MATERIAL WORLD."
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Satsvarupa, October 31, 1969:
"Now coming to some other points discussed in the Cathedral Sermons
pamphlet, we may take notice of the writer's statement which may help us in
understanding the real position of Christian religion. In one of the
statements he says the Bishop Dean, the former Executive Officer of the
Anglican Communion, said to the general Synod of the Anglican Church of
Canada last month that he gives the church as it exists today ten more
years of life. The reason the church was dying he said was because it had
become irrelevant. This means that the church people no more can convince
the advanced, educated men of the present day. In another place he says in
discussing the Ten Commandents of the Bible about the sanctity of (human
life). INSTEAD OF EXACTLY QUOTING THE COMMANDMENT "THOU SHALT NOT KILL," HE
REPLACES BY HIS OWN WORDS "THOU SHALT DO NO MURDER". BUT HE DOES NOT KNOW
HOW HIS OWN WORDS REFLECT TO THE THEN SOCIETY WHEREIN LORD JESUS CHRIST WAS
PREACHING. TO SAY TO HIS AUDIENCE, "THOU SHALT DO NO MURDER" MEANS THEY
WERE VERY MUCH ACaitanya-caritamrtaUSTOMED TO COMMIT MURDER. SO WHAT IS THE POSITION OF THAT
SOCIETY WHERE THE MEMBERS ARE ACaitanya-caritamrtaUSTOMED TO COMMIT MURDER, AND WHAT CLASS
OF PREACHING CAN BE MADE TO SUCH PERSONS? As we see in another religious
principle there is instruction that henceforward you shall not co-habit
with your mother. So we have to judge such societies where there are
murderers and those having sex life with their mothers, what kind of men
they are. In the Bhagavad-gita the religious principles are divided into
three categories: in the modes of goodness, passion and ignorance.
Generally, all so-called principles are in the modes of passion and
ignorance. Maybe there are some moral instructions, but moral instructions
without God-consciousness is impossible to follow. In another place the
gentleman quotes one book written by Prof. Charles Smith. The book's name
is "The Paradox of Jesus in the Gospels". In this book it is admitted that
all the statements in the Bible are not directly spoken by Jesus. Some of
them are staged through the mouth of Jesus Christ; and specifically this
passage: "I am the way, the Truth and the light. No man comes unto the
Father but by me." This gentleman admits that it is put into the mouth of
Jesus because that is the literary convention of the author of the 4th
Gospel. Such kinds of observations definitely suggests that there are many
passages in the Gospel which are later on set up to be spoken by Lord Jesus
Christ, but actually they were manufactured by different devotees. So far
as our Bhagavad-gita is concerned, we do not find any such thing.
Everywhere it is stated sri bhagavan uvaca: the Supreme Personality of
Godhead said. And all the acaryas have accepted these words as they are
spoken by the Lord. No authorized acharya has ever commented that it was
put into the mouth of Krishna by Vyasadeva or Sanjaya or any other person."
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Govinda, February 10, 1969:
"Regarding
Karatieya, I am sorry to inform you that all of a sudden he
has been captivated by maya, and since yesterday, he has left my
company.
The day before yesterday afternoon, he was absent for more than three
hours
and when he came back, he explained that he was out walking in the
street.
Later on, it was found that he went to see a Christian priest who had
impressed upon his mind that one can drink wine after offering it to
Lord
Christ on the first Friday of every month. I had been informed by
Karatieya that before his coming to our Krishna Consciousness camp he
was drinking
too much. So now he wanted to give me evidence that drinking was good
when
it is offered to Lord Christ. I tried to convince him that drinking is
not
at all good. The very fact that one should drink on the first Friday of
each month means it is rigidly restricted; one can drink only once every
month, but in the case of bread, it is said that one should pray daily
for
bread from the Lord."
Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 15.163:
"My dear Lord, let me suffer perpetually in a hellish condition,
accepting all the sinful reactions of all living entities. Please finish
their diseased material life."
PURPORT
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura gives the following commentary on this verse. In the Western countries, Christians believe that Lord Jesus Christ, their spiritual master, appeared in order to eradicate all the sins of his disciples. To this end, Lord Jesus Christ appeared and disappeared. Here, however, we find Sri Vasudeva Datta Thakura and Srila Haridasa Thakura to be many millions of times more advanced even when compared to Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ relieved only his followers from all sinful reactions, but Vasudeva Datta is here prepared to accept the sins of everyone in the universe. A Vaisnava is so liberal that he is prepared to risk everything to rescue conditioned souls from material existence. Srila Vasudeva Datta Thakura is universal love itself, for he was willing to sacrifice everything and fully engage in the service of the Supreme. Srila Vasudeva Datta knew very well that Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was the original Personality of Godhead. He was transcendence itself, above the material conception of illusion and maya. Lord Jesus Christ certainly finished the sinful reactions of his followers by his mercy, but that does not mean that he completely delivered them from the pangs of material existence. A person may be relieved from sins once, but it is a practice among Christians to confess sins and yet commit them again. By getting freed from sins and again engaging in them, one cannot attain freedom from the pangs of material existence. A diseased person may go to a physician for relief, but after he leaves the hospital he may again be infected due to his unclean habits. Thus material existence continues. Srila Vasudeva Datta wanted to completely relieve the conditioned souls from material existence so that they would no longer have an opportunity to commit sinful acts. This is the difference between Srila Vasudeva Datta and Lord Jesus Christ. IT IS A GREAT OFFENSE TO RECEIVE PARDON FOR SINS AND THEN COMMIT THE SAME SINS AGAIN. SUCH AN OFFENSE IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN THE SINFUL ACTIVITY ITSELF. Vasudeva Datta was so liberal that he requested Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu to transfer all offensive activity upon him so the conditioned souls might be purified. This prayer was certainly without duplicity."
PURPORT
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura gives the following commentary on this verse. In the Western countries, Christians believe that Lord Jesus Christ, their spiritual master, appeared in order to eradicate all the sins of his disciples. To this end, Lord Jesus Christ appeared and disappeared. Here, however, we find Sri Vasudeva Datta Thakura and Srila Haridasa Thakura to be many millions of times more advanced even when compared to Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ relieved only his followers from all sinful reactions, but Vasudeva Datta is here prepared to accept the sins of everyone in the universe. A Vaisnava is so liberal that he is prepared to risk everything to rescue conditioned souls from material existence. Srila Vasudeva Datta Thakura is universal love itself, for he was willing to sacrifice everything and fully engage in the service of the Supreme. Srila Vasudeva Datta knew very well that Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was the original Personality of Godhead. He was transcendence itself, above the material conception of illusion and maya. Lord Jesus Christ certainly finished the sinful reactions of his followers by his mercy, but that does not mean that he completely delivered them from the pangs of material existence. A person may be relieved from sins once, but it is a practice among Christians to confess sins and yet commit them again. By getting freed from sins and again engaging in them, one cannot attain freedom from the pangs of material existence. A diseased person may go to a physician for relief, but after he leaves the hospital he may again be infected due to his unclean habits. Thus material existence continues. Srila Vasudeva Datta wanted to completely relieve the conditioned souls from material existence so that they would no longer have an opportunity to commit sinful acts. This is the difference between Srila Vasudeva Datta and Lord Jesus Christ. IT IS A GREAT OFFENSE TO RECEIVE PARDON FOR SINS AND THEN COMMIT THE SAME SINS AGAIN. SUCH AN OFFENSE IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN THE SINFUL ACTIVITY ITSELF. Vasudeva Datta was so liberal that he requested Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu to transfer all offensive activity upon him so the conditioned souls might be purified. This prayer was certainly without duplicity."
Perfect Questions, Perfect Answers, 6:
vancha-kalpa-tarubhyas ca
krpa-sindhubhya eva ca
patitanam pavanebhyo
vaisnavebhyo namo namah
["I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaisnava devotees of the Lord. They are just like desire trees who can fulfill the desires of everyone, and they are full of compassion for the fallen conditioned souls."] He takes responsibility for all the fallen souls. That idea is also in the Bible. Jesus Christ took all the sinful reactions of the people and sacrificed his life. That is the responsibility of a spiritual master. Because Krsna is Krsna, He is apapa-viddha--He cannot be attacked by sinful reactions. But a living entity is sometimes subjected to their influence because he is so small. Big fire, small fire. If you put some big thing in a small fire, the fire itself may be extinguished. But in a big fire, whatever you put in is all right. The big fire can consume anything.
Bob: Christ's suffering was of that nature?
Srila Prabhupada: Mm-m?
Bob: Was Christ's suffering--
Srila Prabhupada: That I have already explained. He took the sinful reactions of all the people. Therefore he suffered.
Bob: I see.
Srila Prabhupada: He said--that is in the Bible--that he took all the sinful reactions of the people and sacrificed his life. But these Christian people have made it a law for Christ to suffer while they do all nonsense. [Bob gives a short laugh.] Such great fools they are! They have let Jesus Christ make a contract for taking all their sinful reactions so they can go on with all nonsense. That is their religion. Christ was so magnanimous that he took all their sins and suffered, but that does not induce them to stop all these sins. They have not come to that sense. They have taken it very easily. "Let Lord Jesus Christ suffer, and we'll do all nonsense." Is it not?
Bob: It is so.
Srila Prabhupada: They should have been ashamed: "Lord Jesus Christ suffered for us, but we are continuing the sinful activities." He told everyone, "Thou shalt not kill," but they are indulging in killing, thinking, "Lord Jesus Christ will excuse us and take all the sinful reactions." This is going on. We should be very much cautious: "For my sinful actions my spiritual master will suffer, so I'll not commit even a pinch of sinful activities." That is the duty of the disciple. After initiation, all sinful reaction is finished. Now if he again commits sinful activities, his spiritual master has to suffer. A disciple should be sympathetic and consider this. "For my sinful activities, my spiritual master will suffer." If the spiritual master is attacked by some disease, it is due to the sinful activities of others. "Don't make many disciples." But we do it because we are preaching. Never mind--let us suffer--still we shall accept them. Therefore your question was--when I suffer is it due to my past misdeeds? Was it not? That is my misdeed--that I accepted some disciples who are nonsense. That is my misdeed.
Bob: This happens on occasions?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. This is sure to happen because we are accepting so many men. It is the duty of the disciples to be cautious. "My spiritual master has saved me. I should not put him again into suffering." When the spiritual master is in suffering, Krsna saves him. Krsna thinks, "Oh, he has taken so much responsibility for delivering a fallen person." So Krsna is there.
kaunteya pratijanihi
na me bhaktah pranasyati
["O son of Kunti, declare it boldly that My devotee never perishes."]
Because the spiritual master takes the risk on account of Krsna.
Bob: Your suffering is not the same kind of pain..
Srila Prabhupada: No, it is not due to karma. The pain is there sometimes, so that the disciples may know, "Due to our sinful activities, our spiritual master is suffering."
Bob: You look very well now.
Srila Prabhupada: I am always well... in the sense that even if there is suffering, I know Krsna will protect me. But this suffering is not due to my sinful activities.
Bob: But let us say when I--in the town I live in, I take boiled water because some of the water has disease in it. Now, why should I drink boiled water if I have been good enough not to get a disease? Then I may drink any water. And if I have been not acting properly. then I shall get disease anyway.
Srila Prabhupada: So long as you are in the material world, you cannot neglect physical laws. Suppose you go to a jungle and there is a tiger. It is known that it will attack you, so why should you voluntarily go and be attacked? It is not that a devotee should take physical risk so long as he has a physical body. It is not a challenge to the physical laws: "I have become a devotee. I challenge everything." That is foolishness.
Bob: But let us say when I--in the town I live in, I take boiled water because some of the water has disease in it. Now, why should I drink boiled water if I have been good enough not to get a disease? Then I may drink any water. And if I have been not acting properly. then I shall get disease anyway.
Srila Prabhupada: So long as you are in the material world, you cannot neglect physical laws. Suppose you go to a jungle and there is a tiger. It is known that it will attack you, so why should you voluntarily go and be attacked? It is not that a devotee should take physical risk so long as he has a physical body. It is not a challenge to the physical laws: "I have become a devotee. I challenge everything." That is foolishness.
krpa-sindhubhya eva ca
patitanam pavanebhyo
vaisnavebhyo namo namah
["I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaisnava devotees of the Lord. They are just like desire trees who can fulfill the desires of everyone, and they are full of compassion for the fallen conditioned souls."] He takes responsibility for all the fallen souls. That idea is also in the Bible. Jesus Christ took all the sinful reactions of the people and sacrificed his life. That is the responsibility of a spiritual master. Because Krsna is Krsna, He is apapa-viddha--He cannot be attacked by sinful reactions. But a living entity is sometimes subjected to their influence because he is so small. Big fire, small fire. If you put some big thing in a small fire, the fire itself may be extinguished. But in a big fire, whatever you put in is all right. The big fire can consume anything.
Bob: Christ's suffering was of that nature?
Srila Prabhupada: Mm-m?
Bob: Was Christ's suffering--
Srila Prabhupada: That I have already explained. He took the sinful reactions of all the people. Therefore he suffered.
Bob: I see.
Srila Prabhupada: He said--that is in the Bible--that he took all the sinful reactions of the people and sacrificed his life. But these Christian people have made it a law for Christ to suffer while they do all nonsense. [Bob gives a short laugh.] Such great fools they are! They have let Jesus Christ make a contract for taking all their sinful reactions so they can go on with all nonsense. That is their religion. Christ was so magnanimous that he took all their sins and suffered, but that does not induce them to stop all these sins. They have not come to that sense. They have taken it very easily. "Let Lord Jesus Christ suffer, and we'll do all nonsense." Is it not?
Bob: It is so.
Srila Prabhupada: They should have been ashamed: "Lord Jesus Christ suffered for us, but we are continuing the sinful activities." He told everyone, "Thou shalt not kill," but they are indulging in killing, thinking, "Lord Jesus Christ will excuse us and take all the sinful reactions." This is going on. We should be very much cautious: "For my sinful actions my spiritual master will suffer, so I'll not commit even a pinch of sinful activities." That is the duty of the disciple. After initiation, all sinful reaction is finished. Now if he again commits sinful activities, his spiritual master has to suffer. A disciple should be sympathetic and consider this. "For my sinful activities, my spiritual master will suffer." If the spiritual master is attacked by some disease, it is due to the sinful activities of others. "Don't make many disciples." But we do it because we are preaching. Never mind--let us suffer--still we shall accept them. Therefore your question was--when I suffer is it due to my past misdeeds? Was it not? That is my misdeed--that I accepted some disciples who are nonsense. That is my misdeed.
Bob: This happens on occasions?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. This is sure to happen because we are accepting so many men. It is the duty of the disciples to be cautious. "My spiritual master has saved me. I should not put him again into suffering." When the spiritual master is in suffering, Krsna saves him. Krsna thinks, "Oh, he has taken so much responsibility for delivering a fallen person." So Krsna is there.
kaunteya pratijanihi
na me bhaktah pranasyati
["O son of Kunti, declare it boldly that My devotee never perishes."]
Because the spiritual master takes the risk on account of Krsna.
Bob: Your suffering is not the same kind of pain..
Srila Prabhupada: No, it is not due to karma. The pain is there sometimes, so that the disciples may know, "Due to our sinful activities, our spiritual master is suffering."
Bob: You look very well now.
Srila Prabhupada: I am always well... in the sense that even if there is suffering, I know Krsna will protect me. But this suffering is not due to my sinful activities.
Bob: But let us say when I--in the town I live in, I take boiled water because some of the water has disease in it. Now, why should I drink boiled water if I have been good enough not to get a disease? Then I may drink any water. And if I have been not acting properly. then I shall get disease anyway.
Srila Prabhupada: So long as you are in the material world, you cannot neglect physical laws. Suppose you go to a jungle and there is a tiger. It is known that it will attack you, so why should you voluntarily go and be attacked? It is not that a devotee should take physical risk so long as he has a physical body. It is not a challenge to the physical laws: "I have become a devotee. I challenge everything." That is foolishness.
Bob: But let us say when I--in the town I live in, I take boiled water because some of the water has disease in it. Now, why should I drink boiled water if I have been good enough not to get a disease? Then I may drink any water. And if I have been not acting properly. then I shall get disease anyway.
Srila Prabhupada: So long as you are in the material world, you cannot neglect physical laws. Suppose you go to a jungle and there is a tiger. It is known that it will attack you, so why should you voluntarily go and be attacked? It is not that a devotee should take physical risk so long as he has a physical body. It is not a challenge to the physical laws: "I have become a devotee. I challenge everything." That is foolishness.
Perfect Questions, Perfect Answers, 9:
Srila Prabhupada: "That's all right. He may eat anything. He is powerful.
But he has ordered, "Thou shalt not kill. You must stop killing." He is
powerful. He can eat the whole world. But you cannot compare to Jesus
Christ. You cannot imitate Jesus Christ; you have to abide by his order.
Then you are guided by Jesus Christ. That is actually obedience. That is
explained in the Bhagavata. One who is isvara, who is empowered, can do
anything, but we cannot imitate. We have to abide by his order: "What he
says to me, that I will do." You cannot imitate. You say that Jesus Christ
ate meat. Admitting that, you do not know in what condition he ate meat. He
is himself eating meat, but he is advising others not to kill. Do you think
that Jesus Christ was contradicting himself?"
Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, June 15, 1974, Paris:
Yogesvara: "He says, for example, the verse you read yesterday, that was
similar to what is taught in the Vedas, but if we take the rest of that
chapter from the Bible, we find some discrepancies, differences.
Prabhupada: What is that? (French)
Yogesvara: For example, in that chapter, it also says that the word of God became flesh and that flesh was the son of God, Lord Jesus Christ.
Prabhupada: But that means Jesus Christ is transcendental, not of this material world. (French)
Yogesvara: They say... They accept... They think that Lord Jesus, however, was a human being. He was spiritual, but also he was part of this material world.
Prabhupada: No, material world is part of Jesus Christ, but Jesus Christ is not part of material world. (French)
Yogesvara: He says that they had a human body, he had a material body.
Prabhupada: That human body appears like that, but he had no this material flesh and blood. A material body, how there can be resurrection?
Yogesvara: If it was material body, how is it possible for him to be resurrected? (French)
Prabhupada: Is that all right?
Jyotirmayi: They said it is by the acintya power of God.
Prabhupada: These, these rascals, they thought that "Jesus had a material body. Let us kill him." So Jesus Christ bewildered them more, to remain rascal, that they will continue to think that Jesus had a material body.
Jyotirmayi: Bewildered them?
Yogesvara: Yes, he bewildered them more by saying: "All right, go on thinking like that."
Prabhupada: That is their punishment. They remain always in darkness that Jesus had a material body. (French)
Jyotirmayi: So he's saying that he respects your explanation, but that the Christians, they have another explanation, and that if we...
Prabhupada: But we must come to the reason before giving explanation. You cannot explain...
Yogesvara: What is the reason for his incarnation?
Prabhupada: You cannot explain whimsically. You cannot explain whimsically. If Jesus Christ is son of God, he has... That means he has got spiritual body. You...
French Woman: Yes, we accept that he got the has got spiritual body, but we say that he assumed also a material body.
Prabhupada: Now, then, then, another thing is: you accept Jesus Christ the only son of God, is it not? So when you pray in the church, you address God, "Oh Father." Then why "only son"?
French Woman: We say that the son is...
Prabhupada: Then everyone is son.
French Woman: Yes, we say that this is the same God, yes.
Prabhupada: If I address God, "My father," then I am his son. So why there should be "only son"? (French)
French Woman: Yes, we say that we are adopted sons. (laughter) (French) Jyotirmayi: They say that they are sons, that all living beings are sons, but by adoption.
Yogesvara: Adopted son. Yes.
Prabhupada: So therefore these sons' body and Jesus's body cannot be equal. So adopted son has got material body, not the real son. (French)
Yogesvara: Their idea is that: Yes, of course, Lord Jesus, being the son of God, his body is spiritual, but because he wanted to take part in the life of the human beings on earth, he actually accepted a material body just to live among men.
Prabhupada: Why he should accept?
French Woman: But we have a vesper that says that he was died, that he was suffering, and things which show that...
Prabhupada: But his death... You think that he was died, but he resurrected.
French Woman: But the gospel says that he had died.
Prabhupada: That's all right.
French Woman: You cannot... We accept the totality of the word, as you accept your word.
Prabhupada: No. No, no. "Died" means that is similar death. Janma karma me divyam. Just like Christ take birth from the womb of Mary. It appears like that, but actually that is not. (French)
French Woman: No, it is very important that the death of Christ is a real death. For us, it is the center of our faith.
Yogesvara: They say that the central point of their philosophy is that Lord Jesus actually died. (French)
Prabhupada: No, according to Vedic conception, even ordinary living being, he does not die. Na hanyate hanyamane sarire. You understand Sanskrit? French Woman: No, I don't understand it by hearing it. You have to read it. Prabhupada: Na hanyate, does not die, hanyamane sarire, apparently, the body being dead, the soul is never dead. (French)
Yogesvara: So... Shall I explain that one? What the good Pastor--are they called Pastor?--describes is that in order for there to be a dialogue, we have to respect each others' positions, not that we will try to convert the other. He says just as we respect you have an absolute faith in the Vedic philosophy, so also there must be respect that the Christian interpretation of the life of Lord Jesus and his death...
Prabhupada: Oh, I think I have better respect than him to Jesus Christ. I say he does not die. He says he dies. (French) So far respect is concerned, I have more respect than them. They want to see Jesus Christ dead. I don't want to see him dead.
French Woman: No. Death and resurrection after, Jesus.
Yogesvara: There's a resurrection.
Prabhupada: Yes."
Prabhupada: What is that? (French)
Yogesvara: For example, in that chapter, it also says that the word of God became flesh and that flesh was the son of God, Lord Jesus Christ.
Prabhupada: But that means Jesus Christ is transcendental, not of this material world. (French)
Yogesvara: They say... They accept... They think that Lord Jesus, however, was a human being. He was spiritual, but also he was part of this material world.
Prabhupada: No, material world is part of Jesus Christ, but Jesus Christ is not part of material world. (French)
Yogesvara: He says that they had a human body, he had a material body.
Prabhupada: That human body appears like that, but he had no this material flesh and blood. A material body, how there can be resurrection?
Yogesvara: If it was material body, how is it possible for him to be resurrected? (French)
Prabhupada: Is that all right?
Jyotirmayi: They said it is by the acintya power of God.
Prabhupada: These, these rascals, they thought that "Jesus had a material body. Let us kill him." So Jesus Christ bewildered them more, to remain rascal, that they will continue to think that Jesus had a material body.
Jyotirmayi: Bewildered them?
Yogesvara: Yes, he bewildered them more by saying: "All right, go on thinking like that."
Prabhupada: That is their punishment. They remain always in darkness that Jesus had a material body. (French)
Jyotirmayi: So he's saying that he respects your explanation, but that the Christians, they have another explanation, and that if we...
Prabhupada: But we must come to the reason before giving explanation. You cannot explain...
Yogesvara: What is the reason for his incarnation?
Prabhupada: You cannot explain whimsically. You cannot explain whimsically. If Jesus Christ is son of God, he has... That means he has got spiritual body. You...
French Woman: Yes, we accept that he got the has got spiritual body, but we say that he assumed also a material body.
Prabhupada: Now, then, then, another thing is: you accept Jesus Christ the only son of God, is it not? So when you pray in the church, you address God, "Oh Father." Then why "only son"?
French Woman: We say that the son is...
Prabhupada: Then everyone is son.
French Woman: Yes, we say that this is the same God, yes.
Prabhupada: If I address God, "My father," then I am his son. So why there should be "only son"? (French)
French Woman: Yes, we say that we are adopted sons. (laughter) (French) Jyotirmayi: They say that they are sons, that all living beings are sons, but by adoption.
Yogesvara: Adopted son. Yes.
Prabhupada: So therefore these sons' body and Jesus's body cannot be equal. So adopted son has got material body, not the real son. (French)
Yogesvara: Their idea is that: Yes, of course, Lord Jesus, being the son of God, his body is spiritual, but because he wanted to take part in the life of the human beings on earth, he actually accepted a material body just to live among men.
Prabhupada: Why he should accept?
French Woman: But we have a vesper that says that he was died, that he was suffering, and things which show that...
Prabhupada: But his death... You think that he was died, but he resurrected.
French Woman: But the gospel says that he had died.
Prabhupada: That's all right.
French Woman: You cannot... We accept the totality of the word, as you accept your word.
Prabhupada: No. No, no. "Died" means that is similar death. Janma karma me divyam. Just like Christ take birth from the womb of Mary. It appears like that, but actually that is not. (French)
French Woman: No, it is very important that the death of Christ is a real death. For us, it is the center of our faith.
Yogesvara: They say that the central point of their philosophy is that Lord Jesus actually died. (French)
Prabhupada: No, according to Vedic conception, even ordinary living being, he does not die. Na hanyate hanyamane sarire. You understand Sanskrit? French Woman: No, I don't understand it by hearing it. You have to read it. Prabhupada: Na hanyate, does not die, hanyamane sarire, apparently, the body being dead, the soul is never dead. (French)
Yogesvara: So... Shall I explain that one? What the good Pastor--are they called Pastor?--describes is that in order for there to be a dialogue, we have to respect each others' positions, not that we will try to convert the other. He says just as we respect you have an absolute faith in the Vedic philosophy, so also there must be respect that the Christian interpretation of the life of Lord Jesus and his death...
Prabhupada: Oh, I think I have better respect than him to Jesus Christ. I say he does not die. He says he dies. (French) So far respect is concerned, I have more respect than them. They want to see Jesus Christ dead. I don't want to see him dead.
French Woman: No. Death and resurrection after, Jesus.
Yogesvara: There's a resurrection.
Prabhupada: Yes."
Teachings of Queen Kunti, 12:
"In the Bible it is said that man was made in the image of God, and this
means that we are reflections of God's image. It is not that we invent or
imagine some form of God according to our own form. Those who adhere to the
Mayavada philosophy of anthropomorphism say, "The Absolute Truth is
impersonal, but because we are persons we imagine that the Absolute Truth
is also a person." This is a mistake, and in fact just the opposite is
true. We have two hands, two legs, and a head because God Himself has these
same features. We have personal forms because we are reflections of God.
Furthermore, we should philosophically understand that if the original
person benefits, the reflection also benefits. So if we decorate Krsna, we
also shall be decorated. If we satisfy Krsna, we shall become satisfied. If
we offer nice food to Krsna, we shall also eat the same food. Those who
live outside the temples of Krsna consciousness may never have imagined
such palatable food as the food we are offering to Krsna, but because it is
being offered to Krsna, we also have the opportunity to eat it. So we
should try to satisfy Krsna in all respects, and then we shall be satisfied
in all respects."
Science of Self-Realization, 4:
Srila Prabhupada: "Humility means intelligence. The humble and meek own the
kingdom of God. This is stated in the Bible, is it not? But the philosophy
of the rascals is that everyone is God, and today this idea has become
popular. Therefore no one is humble and meek. If everyone thinks that he is
God, why should he be humble and meek? Therefore I teach my disciples how
to become humble and meek. They always offer their respectful obeisances in
the temple and to the spiritual master, and in this way they make
advancement. The qualities of humbleness and meekness lead very quickly to
spiritual realization. In the Vedic scriptures it is said, "To those who
have firm faith in God and the spiritual master, who is His representative,
the meaning of the Vedic scriptures is revealed."
Father Emmanuel: But shouldn't this humility be offered to everyone else, also?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, but there are two kinds of respect: special and ordinary. Sri Krsna Caitanya taught that we shouldn't expect honor for ourselves, but should always respect everyone else, even if he is disrespectful to us. But special respect should be given to God and His pure devotee."
Father Emmanuel: But shouldn't this humility be offered to everyone else, also?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, but there are two kinds of respect: special and ordinary. Sri Krsna Caitanya taught that we shouldn't expect honor for ourselves, but should always respect everyone else, even if he is disrespectful to us. But special respect should be given to God and His pure devotee."
Science of Self-Realization, 4:
Srila Prabhupada: "But the Bible does not simply say, "Do not kill the human
being." It says broadly, "Thou shalt not kill."
Cardinal Danielou: We believe that only human life is sacred.
Srila Prabhupada: That is your interpretation. The commandment is "Thou shalt not kill."
Cardinal Danielou: We believe that only human life is sacred.
Srila Prabhupada: That is your interpretation. The commandment is "Thou shalt not kill."
Heathen
means being disobedient to the orders of the commandments. Thou shalt
not kill is a clear commandment which does not require interpretation.
Path of Perfection, 8:
"Purification of consciousness is the purpose of this Krsna consciousness
movement. Presently we are preparing this divine consciousness, for our
consciousness goes with us at the time of death. Consciousness is carried
from the body just as the aroma of a flower is carried by the air. When we
die, this material body composed of five elements--earth, water, air, fire,
and ether--decomposes, and the gross materials return to the elements. Or,
as the Christian Bible says, "Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt
return." In some societies the body is burned, in others it is buried, and
in others it is thrown to animals. In India, the Hindus burn the body, and
thus the body is transformed into ashes. Ash is simply another form of
earth. Christians bury the body, and after some time in the grave, the body
eventually turns to dust, which again, like ash, is another form of earth.
There are other societies--like the Parsee community in India--that neither
burn nor bury the body but throw it to the vultures, and the vultures
immediately come to eat the body, and then the body is eventually
transformed into stool. So in any case, this beautiful body, which we are
soaping and caring for so nicely, will eventually turn into either stool,
ashes, or dust."
Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam, November 14, 1972, Vrindavan:
"The
solid fact is the Lord created. In the Bible also it is said that
God said, "Let there be creation." So it is from the person. Here also,
we
find the creation begins from the person. In the Vedas it is said, sa
aiksata. Sa asrjata. Aiksata, "By the glance, He looked over, God looked
over, and He created." The reference is to the person. We also find from
our experience that whenever there is something manufacturing, or
creation,
we do not find automatically some matter comes into being. We don't, we
haven't such experience. Whenever there is anything manufactured or
created, there is a person behind it. So this is not a very good theory
that from the chunk, or some matter exploded, and immediately the
universe came into existence."
Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam, January 10, 1968, Los Angeles:
"Now, the whole material world is produced from sound. That is scientific
fact. Scientists are researching the importance of sound, physical science.
Sound, light, and transmission of sound and light. There are so many
things, electronics. So this sound vibration, this is material sound. They
have got so much wonderful power. And just try to understand what is the
power of the spiritual sound. Real sound is coming from the spiritual
world. It is simply just like gramophone. The sound is coming originally
from the person; the gramophone is reproducing. That is not the original
source of the sound. Similarly, whatever sound is there in this material
world, the original sound is produced by God. Just like in your Bible it is
said, "Let there be creation." It is, simply it was sound and there was
creation. So spiritual sound is so powerful. And we are trying to catch you
directly from that sound vibration, Hare Krsna, and I am sure it is acting.
Simply, sabdad anavrttih."
Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam, June 20, 1973, Mayapur:
"In the Bible, it is said the animals are given under the control of
human beings, man. Is it not? They have taken it. And because the animals
are given under the control of man, therefore man should open
slaughterhouse and eat them? Suppose if somebody gives his son, "Sir, will
you take my son? Keep him under your control." Does it mean I shall eat
him? These rascals interpret in that way. Because the animals are given
under the control of man, therefore there should be slaughterhouse, the
animals will be killed, and they will eat. This is their interpretation of
the Bible, is it not?"
Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam, August 13, 1972, Los Angeles:
"So
Krsna and His pastimes, His name, quality, paraphernalia, entourage,
everything is spiritual. That is accepted by great scholars like
Sankaracarya. He says: narayana para. "Narayana, or the Supreme
Personality of Godhead, is beyond this material world." There are many
examples. In your Bible also, those who are Christians, God said, "Let
there be creation." So there was creation. Now this world, this word is
not vibration of this material world. In the material world, if I say,
"Let there be some mango," so no. That is not possible. BUT IN THE
SPIRITUAL VIBRATION, THAT IS POSSIBLE. That is possible. So the study is
that God said, "Let there be creation." So there was creation. Now this
word existed before the creation, because "Let there be creation" means
when God is
speaking there was no creation. And the creation means this material
world.
Therefore this vibration is not material. So when God is saying, "Let
there
be creation," then He's a person. Therefore His personality is also
transcendental, spiritual. Otherwise how He speaks?"
Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam, January 3, 1970, Los Angeles:
"Now, in the Bible, Lord Jesus Christ is described as the son of God.
Now, so far I have heard, that it is claimed that he is the only one son of
God. Now according to Bhagavad-gita, every living entity is son of God. Now
how to adjust? If the Bible says that Lord Jesus Christ is the only one
son, then how these so many innumerable sons can be adjusted? There is
adjustment. There is very nice adjustment. One should know it. He is the
only one son means one who can sacrifice his life for God, he is real son.
And one who is simply taking from father, "Oh, God, give us our daily
bread," and He is supplying and eating and enjoying sense enjoyement, he is
not real son. The real son is he who sacrifices his life for glorifying his
father. Similarly, anyone who will sacrifice his life... Of course, it is
not required that everyone shall be crucified like Lord Jesus Christ, but
he should sacrifice his energy for the Supreme Lord. And that person who
has devoted his energy for the satisfaction of the Supreme Lord, he is
called Krsna conscious person."
Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Nectar of Devotion, October 23, 1972:
"Even a maha-bhagavata, when he becomes preacher, he comes down to the
second platform. He does not remain on the topmost platform. He plays the
part of second platform. And sometimes it is stated in the Bible, I think,
that Jesus Christ said, "I had many things to say, but I am not saying." Is
it not? So actually, the maha-bhagavata, he has many things to say, but
because he's preacher he does not say everything to the neophyte devotees.
Because they are not competent to accept that."
Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, March 9, 1975, London:
Reporter: "Can you tell me how your teaching relates to the Bible, to the
Christian teaching?
Prabhupada: Christian teaching is good. It is giving idea of God. But who is following Christian teaching? That is the problem. Nobody is following. Christ says, "Thou shall not kill," and the Christian people are very expert in killing. Do you admit or not?
Reporter: I admit.
Prabhupada: Just see. Then who is a Christian? If one does not follow the instruction of Christ, then would you call him a Christian?
Reporter: No.
Prabhupada: That's it. That is the problem.
Reporte: Is there any reason why you teach your followers the Bhagavad-gita rather than the Bible?
Prabhupada: The teaching is the same. The teaching is the same. What Lord Jesus Christ taught and what we are... (aside:) Aiye. The teaching is the same. But who is following? That is the difficulty.
Reporter: I see. So you don't think that...
Prabhupada: The difficulty has arisen--I am claiming to be Hindu, but I am not following the Vedic rules. You are claiming to be Christian, but you are not following the Christian rules. This is going on all over the world."
Prabhupada: Christian teaching is good. It is giving idea of God. But who is following Christian teaching? That is the problem. Nobody is following. Christ says, "Thou shall not kill," and the Christian people are very expert in killing. Do you admit or not?
Reporter: I admit.
Prabhupada: Just see. Then who is a Christian? If one does not follow the instruction of Christ, then would you call him a Christian?
Reporter: No.
Prabhupada: That's it. That is the problem.
Reporte: Is there any reason why you teach your followers the Bhagavad-gita rather than the Bible?
Prabhupada: The teaching is the same. The teaching is the same. What Lord Jesus Christ taught and what we are... (aside:) Aiye. The teaching is the same. But who is following? That is the difficulty.
Reporter: I see. So you don't think that...
Prabhupada: The difficulty has arisen--I am claiming to be Hindu, but I am not following the Vedic rules. You are claiming to be Christian, but you are not following the Christian rules. This is going on all over the world."
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Rayarama, October 22, 1971:
"I am so glad to learn that you are eager to preach but we should know it
that we cannot preach without being solid in our standing as devotee. Lord
Caitanya Mahaprabhu said that "apani acari prabhu jivare sikhaya." This
means that Lord Caitanya wanted that one should preach by behaving himself
exactly what he preaches. So our Krsna consciousness movement, preaching,
depends on personal behavior. If you want to preach the gospel of Lord
Jesus Christ on the principles of Bhagavad-gita you will find so many
differences. Those who are following Jesus Christ, let them follow strictly
to the principles of the Bible. "Thou shalt not kill" is now being
misinterpreted by Christian priests. Now they say "Thou shall not murder."
This means trying to save themselves from the crime of animal killing. So
you cannot teach such unscrupled followers the message of Bhagavad-gita."
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Syamasundara, August 31, 1969:
"Actually
our Krishna Conscious movement is genuine Christian movement. CHRIST
MEANS KRISHNA, LOVE OF GODHEAD, WHO HAS HIS FACE ANNOINTED WITH TILAK.
There is a word Kristos in the Greek dictionary, and this word is
supposed to be borrowed from the Sanskrit word "Krishna," and Christ is
derived from Kristos."
Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Caitanya-caritamrta, January 8, 1968, Los Angeles:
"So
my request to you (is) that don't accept Krsna as something Indian god
or Hindu god. No. Krsna is the original father of all living entities.
He claims. If you don't accept... If the father says, "You are my son,"
and the son says, "No, I am not your son," oh, that is son's
prerogative. He may deny it if he doesn't believe his mother. Now what
is the proof that one man is my father? The mother is the proof. There
is no other source of understanding who is my father. If a boy wants to
understand, "Who is my
father?" the only authority is the mother. Mother will say, "My dear
boy,
my dear child, here is your father." You have to accept. If you say, "I
don't accept. I must have proof that he is my father." How it is
possible?
It is not possible. Similarly, the Vedic literature is to be considered
the
mother and Vedic literature says, janmady asya yatah: "The Supreme
Absolute
Truth is that who is the source of all generation, all emanations." And
what is that source? Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita that "I am the
father." So if you believe scriptures, Vedic literatures, if you believe
Bhagavad-gita, then you have to accept Krsna as the supreme father
because
the mother... Vedic literature is considered to be the mother. She gives
evidence that Krsna is the father. Just like mother gives evidence who
is
your father, similarly, the Vedic literatures is compared to a mother,
and
the Vedic literature says that Krsna is the father. In your Christian
literature, Bible, Jesus Christ is accepted as the son of God. He
presented
himself as son of God. And here Krsna says that "I am the father." So
there
is no contradiction. The son of God also says about God, and the father
also says about the God, Himself. The son of God says that "You
surrender
unto God," and God says, "You surrender unto Me." Then where there is
contradiction? There is no contradiction."
Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Caitanya-caritamrta, December 31, 1966, New York:
"So before His coming, some of His devotees, they come first, just to become
His father, become His mother, become His family members, like that.
Because He does not do anything which is against the process of this world.
A man is born out of his father and mother, so He has to take His birth
from a father and mother. So these fathers and mothers were, are first
sent. I think in the Bible they call messiahs, or what you have? Similarly,
nobody can become the father and mother of God. But, when He manifests
Himself in this material world, He shows that "He's My father." Just like
Krsna accepted father, Vasudeva, Vasudeva as His father and Devaki as His
mother. Or His foster-father, Nanda Maharaja, and His foster-mother,
Yasoda. So they are all devotees. Krsna's friend, Krsna's father, Krsna's
everyone, when He displays Himself, they are all devotees. He's the
Supreme. Nobody can be father of Krsna."
Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam, June 10, 1968, Montreal:
Prabhupada: "Body of Christ is not ordinary body. That is spiritual body.
Krsna, as Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita, yada yada hi dharmasya glanir
bhavati bharata, paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam,
dharma-samsthapanarthaya yuge yuge sambhavami atma-mayaya. So this is a
very subtle point. One has to understand that when God comes or God's son
comes or God's representative comes, they do not accept a body like us.
They have their spiritual body."
Srila Prabhupada "Lecture on Bhagavad-gita, January 3, 1969, Los Angeles:
Devotee: Prabhupada? Does Lord Jesus Christ appear in the spiritual sky
with the body he manifested on the earth?
Prabhupada: Yes. Otherwise how there can be resurrection? Ordinary body cannot be resurrected. He appeared in his spiritual body, certainly. Jesus Christ told, if I remember, that "Lord, excuse these persons," who were crucifying him. Is it not? He knew that "These rascals, they are killing me, but... They are offending certainly. So they do not know that I cannot be killed, but they are thinking that they are killing." You see? But that was offensive, therefore he begged Lord to be excused because God cannot excuse to the offenders of the devotee. He can excuse one who is offender to God, but if somebody is offender to the devotee, God never excuses. Therefore he prayed for them. That is devotee's qualification. He prays for everyone, even of his enemy. And he could not be killed. That he knew. But those rascals, they thought they were killing Jesus Christ."
Prabhupada: Yes. Otherwise how there can be resurrection? Ordinary body cannot be resurrected. He appeared in his spiritual body, certainly. Jesus Christ told, if I remember, that "Lord, excuse these persons," who were crucifying him. Is it not? He knew that "These rascals, they are killing me, but... They are offending certainly. So they do not know that I cannot be killed, but they are thinking that they are killing." You see? But that was offensive, therefore he begged Lord to be excused because God cannot excuse to the offenders of the devotee. He can excuse one who is offender to God, but if somebody is offender to the devotee, God never excuses. Therefore he prayed for them. That is devotee's qualification. He prays for everyone, even of his enemy. And he could not be killed. That he knew. But those rascals, they thought they were killing Jesus Christ."
Srila Prabhupada Lecture, June 29, 1968, Montreal:
Prabhupada: "He was protected. Devotees are not under the karma. In the
Brahma-samhita it is stated, karmani nirdahati kintu ca bhakti-bhajam.
Prahlada Maharaja was tortured by his father in so many ways, but he was
not affected. He was not affected. Superficially... Just like in the
Christian Bible also, that Lord Jesus Christ was tortured, but he was not
affected. This is the difference between ordinary man and the devotees or
transcendentalists. Apparently it is seen that a devotee is being tortured,
but he is not tortured. There is one example, nice example. Just like the
cat. The cat carries the kitties in the mouth, and it carries a mouse also
in the mouth. So apparently it is seen that a cat is carrying its kitties
in the mouth means it is in pain. But it is not in pain. That is a fact.
Rather, she feels very comfortable. You see? But when the cat, the same
cat, catches one mouse, his life is gone. But you see that she is carrying
in the mouth both of them. Similarly, whenever you'll find that a great
devotee is placed into torturing condition, he does not feel. But the demon
thinks that "I am torturing him." Yes?"
Srila Prabhupada Lecture, October 2, 1968, Seattle:
Prabhupada:
"So where do you find the difference? If Lord Jesus Christ says,
"Through me," that means he's representative of God, and hari-nama is
God.
So either through the representative of God or God, the same thing. God
and
God's representative, there is no difference. Even in these ordinary
dealings, if I send some representative, if he signs something on my
behalf, I have to accept that, because he is my representative.
Similarly,
God has to be approached through God or through His representative. The
same thing. Only the difference may be of understanding. Because Lord
Jesus
Christ spoke to a society that was not very much advanced. You can
understand that such a great personality, God conscious person, was
crucified. Just see the condition of the society. In other words, they
were
low-grade society. So they were not able to understand the whole
philosophy
of God. That is sufficient. "God created. Just take it." They were not
intelligent to understand how the creation took place. Had they been
intelligent, they would not have crucified such a great personality like
Jesus Christ. SO WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE CONDITION OF THE
SOCIETY. Just like in the Koran it is said by Muhammad that "From this
day
you have no sex intercourse with your mother." Just find out the
condition
of the society. So we have to take account of the time, circumstances,
society, and then preaching. So to society like that it is not possible
to
understand the high philosophical things as it is stated in the
Bhagavad-gita. But the primary fact, the authority is God, that is
accepted
both in Bible and Bhagavad-gita. Bible begins, "God is the supreme
authority," and Bhagavad-gita concludes, "You surrender." Where is the
difference? Simply the description is according to the time, society,
and
place and people. That's all. They are not Arjuna. You see? So the
things
to be understood by Arjuna is not possible by the persons who had
crucified
Lord Jesus Christ. You have to study in that light. The same thing. A
dictionary, a pocket dictionary, child's dictionary, and the dictionary,
international dictionary, both of them dictionary, but the value is
different. That dictionary is meant for a class of children, and that
dictionary is meant for high scholars. But none of them you can say it
is
not dictionary. That you cannot say. Both of them are dictionaries. So
we
have to take consideration of the time, place, persons, everything. Just
like Lord Buddha, he simply said that "Stop this nonsense animal
killing."
That was his propaganda. They were so low-grade people, simply taking
pleasure in animal killing. So in order to elevate them, Lord Buddha
wanted
to stop this nonsense: "Please stop killing." So in every time a
different
representative of God or God comes to teach people at different
circumstances. So according to the circumstances there may be some
difference in explanation, but the primary factor remains the same. Lord
Buddha said, "All right, there is no God, but you surrender to me." Then
where is the difference? That means one has to accept the authority of
God
either this way or that way."
Srila Prabhupada Lecture, October 9, 1968, Seattle:
"Now in our childhood... Not childhood. We were at that time college
student, Scottish Churches College in Calcutta. So that is Christian
college, Scottish Churches. So we had to read Bible also. There was a Bible
class from 1:00 to 1:30. So I remember our professor, he was a great
philosopher also, Dr. W.S. Urquhart. He was very nice man, very friendly.
So he was explaining from Bible. I do not know... The Christians, they do
not believe in karma. Is it a fact? They do not believe in karma?
Govinda dasi: They have a verse that "You reap what you sow," which means
whatever you do, you receive the reaction of. It's sort of...
Prabhupada: So... But karma is accepted? But I do not know. Dr. Urquhart
was arguing that if I am suffering or enjoying as the effect of my previous
life, so who is the witness? His argument was like this. Just like if I
have committed some criminal act, in the court there is need of witness.
Then one has to prove that somebody has seen that he has done this. This is simply a legal formality. Who is going to steal while keeping one witness? Nobody's going, but court wants that who has seen that he has stolen. Anyway, Dr. Urquhart's argument was that "Who is the witness? I am suffering the reaction of my previous bad or evil activities, but who is the witness?" But at that time we were not so intelligent. We could not answer. But later on, when we were grown up and studied Bhagavad-gita, then here, in the Bhagavad-gita, we saw that upadrasta. The Lord is upadrasta, He is witness. Upadrasta. Anumanta. Anumanta means ordering. You cannot do anything without being sanctioned by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. You have no power. Therefore we are, in all respect, we are dependent. That we have got very nice experience. This hand is moving, but if the power is withdrawn, I cannot move my hand. Therefore I am not independent to move my hand. So upadrasta anumanta. We cannot do anything without being sanctioned by the Supreme Lord. There is an English word, that not even a grass moves without the sanction of the Lord. So that is a fact. So how one is doing nice thing and how one is doing evil things if He is the order giver? That is our independence. We can take sanction from the Lord. If we want to do something evil, I cannot do it without the sanction of the Supreme. Or even if I do something very nice, that also I cannot do without the sanction. So how the Lord gives such sanction? The sanction is like this: just like a child is crying to get something from the parent, and the parent, being disgusted, gives him something, "All right. Take it." Such kind of sanction. When we do something evil, the sanction is from the Lord, but it is not willing sanction. Against the will of the Lord. And when you do something in cooperation with the Lord, that is called bhakti. We are doing everything... In the material world we are doing everything, all nonsense for sense gratification. There is also sanction of the Lord, but that is unwilling sanction. But when we execute devotional service, loving devotional service, that is very pleasing to the Lord."
Then one has to prove that somebody has seen that he has done this. This is simply a legal formality. Who is going to steal while keeping one witness? Nobody's going, but court wants that who has seen that he has stolen. Anyway, Dr. Urquhart's argument was that "Who is the witness? I am suffering the reaction of my previous bad or evil activities, but who is the witness?" But at that time we were not so intelligent. We could not answer. But later on, when we were grown up and studied Bhagavad-gita, then here, in the Bhagavad-gita, we saw that upadrasta. The Lord is upadrasta, He is witness. Upadrasta. Anumanta. Anumanta means ordering. You cannot do anything without being sanctioned by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. You have no power. Therefore we are, in all respect, we are dependent. That we have got very nice experience. This hand is moving, but if the power is withdrawn, I cannot move my hand. Therefore I am not independent to move my hand. So upadrasta anumanta. We cannot do anything without being sanctioned by the Supreme Lord. There is an English word, that not even a grass moves without the sanction of the Lord. So that is a fact. So how one is doing nice thing and how one is doing evil things if He is the order giver? That is our independence. We can take sanction from the Lord. If we want to do something evil, I cannot do it without the sanction of the Supreme. Or even if I do something very nice, that also I cannot do without the sanction. So how the Lord gives such sanction? The sanction is like this: just like a child is crying to get something from the parent, and the parent, being disgusted, gives him something, "All right. Take it." Such kind of sanction. When we do something evil, the sanction is from the Lord, but it is not willing sanction. Against the will of the Lord. And when you do something in cooperation with the Lord, that is called bhakti. We are doing everything... In the material world we are doing everything, all nonsense for sense gratification. There is also sanction of the Lord, but that is unwilling sanction. But when we execute devotional service, loving devotional service, that is very pleasing to the Lord."
Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, May 15, 1976, Honolulu:
Pusta Krsna: "They counter that if God is all-powerful, He can do anything.
So why not He can create a soul and that soul can then be eternal from that
point?
Prabhupada: Hm?
Pusta Krsna: The Christian may argue that God is all-powerful, so God has created the soul, and from that point the soul is eternal.
Prabhupada: Soul is eternal, we admit.
Pusta Krsna: But only from that point, not in the past.
Prabhupada: Not in the past?
Pusta Krsna: Yes, because according to Biblical philosophy you only have one lifetime in this world.
Prabhupada: Then who goes to heaven?
Pusta Krsna: Persons who adopt the principles.
Prabhupada: And if one life, then who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?
Pusta Krsna: Very few go to heaven.
Prabhupada: ANYONE, IF HE GOES TO HELL OR HEAVEN, THEN WHY DO YOU SAY "ONE LIFE"? THEN ANOTHER LIFE. OTHERWISE WHAT IS THE MEANING OF GOING TO HEAVEN OR HELL?
Hari-sauri: No. They get one chance to good or bad, and then finish.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Hari-sauri: They get one chance. Do good or bad. Then you either go to heaven or to hell. But you don't get another chance.
Prabhupada: But if he goes heaven means there is another life. How do you say "one life"? This is defective philosophy.
Pusta Krsna: But this is what God has said in the Bible; therefore we must accept.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Pusta Krsna: This is what God has said in the Bible; therefore we must accept.
Prabhupada: God, if He says something unreasonable, how it can be accepted? You say, "one life." Then who goes to the next life? That is defective. Why do you not talk back?
Pusta Krsna: (break) ...cannot explain why some people are born in a more pious setting and some people are born in a more impious setting.
Prabhupada: Because they do not know the karma. Karmana daiva netrena. According to one's activities, pious or impious, he gets the next birth. That is quite reasonable. But they do not believe in karma. When I was student in Scottish Churches College, so we had to attend class, half an hour, Bible. So the Dr. Urquhart, he did.... The argument was: "So if karma is there and I am suffering for my karma, who is the witness?" But because they do not know that the witness is God.
Pusta Krsna: He asked that question?
Prabhupada: Yes, he asked that question. (break) Paramatma.... They say "Holy Ghost." What is that Holy Ghost?
Pusta Krsna: The Holy Ghost is supposed to give knowledge to persons who have embraced the teaching.
Prabhupada: Therefore He is seeing what you are doing. So according to your action, the Holy Ghost gives you another birth. (break) ...sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese arjuna tisthati. (break)...dictating everyone's heart, and He is observing. Bhramayan sarva-bhutani yantrarudhani mayaya.
Pusta Krsna: (break) ...contends that if a person does not become fully aware in this lifetime of God, then they don't have another chance, and they are condemned to hell for eternity.
Prabhupada: The hell or heaven doesn't matter. The next life is there. How you say "one life"? That is defective theory. Therefore this philosophy cannot be accepted. Anything which is defective is not to be accepted."
Prabhupada: Hm?
Pusta Krsna: The Christian may argue that God is all-powerful, so God has created the soul, and from that point the soul is eternal.
Prabhupada: Soul is eternal, we admit.
Pusta Krsna: But only from that point, not in the past.
Prabhupada: Not in the past?
Pusta Krsna: Yes, because according to Biblical philosophy you only have one lifetime in this world.
Prabhupada: Then who goes to heaven?
Pusta Krsna: Persons who adopt the principles.
Prabhupada: And if one life, then who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?
Pusta Krsna: Very few go to heaven.
Prabhupada: ANYONE, IF HE GOES TO HELL OR HEAVEN, THEN WHY DO YOU SAY "ONE LIFE"? THEN ANOTHER LIFE. OTHERWISE WHAT IS THE MEANING OF GOING TO HEAVEN OR HELL?
Hari-sauri: No. They get one chance to good or bad, and then finish.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Hari-sauri: They get one chance. Do good or bad. Then you either go to heaven or to hell. But you don't get another chance.
Prabhupada: But if he goes heaven means there is another life. How do you say "one life"? This is defective philosophy.
Pusta Krsna: But this is what God has said in the Bible; therefore we must accept.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Pusta Krsna: This is what God has said in the Bible; therefore we must accept.
Prabhupada: God, if He says something unreasonable, how it can be accepted? You say, "one life." Then who goes to the next life? That is defective. Why do you not talk back?
Pusta Krsna: (break) ...cannot explain why some people are born in a more pious setting and some people are born in a more impious setting.
Prabhupada: Because they do not know the karma. Karmana daiva netrena. According to one's activities, pious or impious, he gets the next birth. That is quite reasonable. But they do not believe in karma. When I was student in Scottish Churches College, so we had to attend class, half an hour, Bible. So the Dr. Urquhart, he did.... The argument was: "So if karma is there and I am suffering for my karma, who is the witness?" But because they do not know that the witness is God.
Pusta Krsna: He asked that question?
Prabhupada: Yes, he asked that question. (break) Paramatma.... They say "Holy Ghost." What is that Holy Ghost?
Pusta Krsna: The Holy Ghost is supposed to give knowledge to persons who have embraced the teaching.
Prabhupada: Therefore He is seeing what you are doing. So according to your action, the Holy Ghost gives you another birth. (break) ...sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese arjuna tisthati. (break)...dictating everyone's heart, and He is observing. Bhramayan sarva-bhutani yantrarudhani mayaya.
Pusta Krsna: (break) ...contends that if a person does not become fully aware in this lifetime of God, then they don't have another chance, and they are condemned to hell for eternity.
Prabhupada: The hell or heaven doesn't matter. The next life is there. How you say "one life"? That is defective theory. Therefore this philosophy cannot be accepted. Anything which is defective is not to be accepted."
Srimad Bhagavatam 6.1.42:
"The sun, fire, sky, air, demigods, moon, evening, day, night,
directions, water, land and Supersoul Himself all witness the activities of
the living entity.
PURPORT
The members of some religious sects, especially Christians, do not believe in the reactions of karma. We once had a discussion with a learned Christian professor who argued that although people are generally punished after the witnesses of their misdeeds are examined, where are the witnesses responsible for one's suffering the reactions of past karma? To such a person the answer by the Yamadutas is given here. A conditioned soul thinks that he is working stealthily and that no one can see his sinful activities, but we can understand from the sastras that there are many witnesses, including the sun, fire, sky, air, moon, demigods, evening, day, night, directions, water, land and the Supersoul Himself, who sits with the individual soul within his heart. Where is the dearth of witnesses? The witnesses and the Supreme Lord both exist, and therefore so many living entities are elevated to higher planetary systems or degraded to lower planetary systems, including the hellish planets. There are no discrepancies, for everything is arranged perfectly by the management of the Supreme God (svabhaviki jnana-bala-kriya ca)."
PURPORT
The members of some religious sects, especially Christians, do not believe in the reactions of karma. We once had a discussion with a learned Christian professor who argued that although people are generally punished after the witnesses of their misdeeds are examined, where are the witnesses responsible for one's suffering the reactions of past karma? To such a person the answer by the Yamadutas is given here. A conditioned soul thinks that he is working stealthily and that no one can see his sinful activities, but we can understand from the sastras that there are many witnesses, including the sun, fire, sky, air, moon, demigods, evening, day, night, directions, water, land and the Supersoul Himself, who sits with the individual soul within his heart. Where is the dearth of witnesses? The witnesses and the Supreme Lord both exist, and therefore so many living entities are elevated to higher planetary systems or degraded to lower planetary systems, including the hellish planets. There are no discrepancies, for everything is arranged perfectly by the management of the Supreme God (svabhaviki jnana-bala-kriya ca)."
Srila Prabhupada Lecture, April 26, 1969, Boston:
"And the Bhagavata says, parabhavas tavad abodha-jato yavan na jijnasata
atma-tattvam: "A man is supposed to be defeated in all his activities if he
does not inquire what he is." This statement is also in Bible, you know,
that "If one loses his own self and he gains all material prosperity, what
does he gain?" Actually, this is the fact."
Srila Prabhupada Lecture, June 28, 1976, Melbourne:
"Just like in Bible also there are so many commandments that "You shall not
do this," because they are sinful. A sinful man cannot approach God. That
is the verdict of Vedic literature.
yesam tv anta-gatam papam
jananam punya-karmanam
te dvandva-moha-nirmukta
bhajante mam drdha-vratah
One who is completely free from the reaction of sinful life, he can completely devote in the service of the Lord. So the common platform is there. God is neither Hindu nor Muslim, nor the method of approaching God may be different, but the ultimate end is how to love God or how to serve God."
yesam tv anta-gatam papam
jananam punya-karmanam
te dvandva-moha-nirmukta
bhajante mam drdha-vratah
One who is completely free from the reaction of sinful life, he can completely devote in the service of the Lord. So the common platform is there. God is neither Hindu nor Muslim, nor the method of approaching God may be different, but the ultimate end is how to love God or how to serve God."
Srila Prabhupada Lecture, March 2, 1975, Atlanta:
Devotee: "In the Bible they say that the animals don't have soul; therefore
it's not the same as killing.
Prabhupada: I do not know whether it is said. (break) ...expert in calling Bible, but where it is said, he does not know. He is so expert in Bible (laughter) How do you know? Now, apart from Bible or any scripture, how do you find that the animal has no soul? How do you consider it? What is the symptom of having soul? That is very easy, but you do not know. When the soul is gone from the body, it does not move. And when the soul is there, it moves. This is the understanding of soul. So do you think the animal does not move? The animal has no blood? The animal has no bone? How do you say that animal has no soul? This is foolishness. The soul is there. Even one small ant, there is soul. Otherwise how it is moving? So long the soul is there, the dull material body is moving. And as soon as the soul is gone, you will cry, "My father has gone away." Why your father gone? It is lying there. Why do you say, "My father has gone away"? This is ignorance. We do not know what is soul. We see the body. So long I have seen the body of my father. Now the soul has gone. I am crying, "My father has gone away." But did you see your father? "Yes, that body." The body is there. Why you are crying? So it is very common sense affair to understand where there is soul. A big stone, a big mountain, it cannot move although it is so big. And a small ant is moving. Why? There is soul. So how can you say the animals have no soul? This is ignorance. Tatha dehantara-praptih. The soul being within the body means it is changing the body from babyhood to childhood, childhood to boyhood, boyhood to youthhood, like that. And if the child is born dead--no more change of body. That is the proof that there is soul. Soul means the living force which is moving the body. That is soul. How you can say the animal has no soul? Everyone has soul. Even the grass has soul, because it is growing, changing body. (break) ...simple thing. Ceto-darpana-marjanam. Because all dirty things are within our heart. On account of dirty things we are thinking that "I have got soul, and the animal has no soul." This is due to dirtiness of the heart. So if you chant Hare Krsna, the heart will be cleansed. Just like a mirror with a dust, you cannot see, but if this dust is cleansed, then you can see your face very nicely. Similarly, because on account of material contamination our heart is unclean, we cannot see things as they are, but the chanting process will cleanse your heart, and then you will see everything in order. Then you will not say the animal has no soul."
Prabhupada: I do not know whether it is said. (break) ...expert in calling Bible, but where it is said, he does not know. He is so expert in Bible (laughter) How do you know? Now, apart from Bible or any scripture, how do you find that the animal has no soul? How do you consider it? What is the symptom of having soul? That is very easy, but you do not know. When the soul is gone from the body, it does not move. And when the soul is there, it moves. This is the understanding of soul. So do you think the animal does not move? The animal has no blood? The animal has no bone? How do you say that animal has no soul? This is foolishness. The soul is there. Even one small ant, there is soul. Otherwise how it is moving? So long the soul is there, the dull material body is moving. And as soon as the soul is gone, you will cry, "My father has gone away." Why your father gone? It is lying there. Why do you say, "My father has gone away"? This is ignorance. We do not know what is soul. We see the body. So long I have seen the body of my father. Now the soul has gone. I am crying, "My father has gone away." But did you see your father? "Yes, that body." The body is there. Why you are crying? So it is very common sense affair to understand where there is soul. A big stone, a big mountain, it cannot move although it is so big. And a small ant is moving. Why? There is soul. So how can you say the animals have no soul? This is ignorance. Tatha dehantara-praptih. The soul being within the body means it is changing the body from babyhood to childhood, childhood to boyhood, boyhood to youthhood, like that. And if the child is born dead--no more change of body. That is the proof that there is soul. Soul means the living force which is moving the body. That is soul. How you can say the animal has no soul? Everyone has soul. Even the grass has soul, because it is growing, changing body. (break) ...simple thing. Ceto-darpana-marjanam. Because all dirty things are within our heart. On account of dirty things we are thinking that "I have got soul, and the animal has no soul." This is due to dirtiness of the heart. So if you chant Hare Krsna, the heart will be cleansed. Just like a mirror with a dust, you cannot see, but if this dust is cleansed, then you can see your face very nicely. Similarly, because on account of material contamination our heart is unclean, we cannot see things as they are, but the chanting process will cleanse your heart, and then you will see everything in order. Then you will not say the animal has no soul."
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Yamuna, May 27, 1969:
"We are compared as the shadow of the Supreme Personality of Godhead,
and as it is stated in the Bible also, man is made after God. We understand
from the scriptures that Krishna has His Vigraha, or Spiritual Body,
exactly like a man who has two hands, two legs and all similar features. If
you decorate your face, you do not see directly how your face has become
beautiful, but when you see the reflection of your face in the mirror, then
indirectly you can see the beauty. Therefore, by serving Krishna directly
the result of the service indirectly comes to us. Just like we offer very
nice prasadam directly to Krishna, but indirectly we enjoy the nice taste
of the prasadam. So we should always remember this, that Krishna is always
full in Himself; He does not want a pinch of our help for his satisfaction,
but if we try to satisfy Him in so many ways as directed by acaryas and
scriptures, indirectly we become benefited by such activities."
Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, July 12, 1973, London:
Hamsaduta: "In the Bible also, in the very beginning page, there's a verse.
After God created everything, the animals and the trees and everything,
then He gave allotment of food to the human society. It says very plainly
that "The seed-bearing plants and trees of the earth shall be your meat, or
shall be your food."
Prabhupada: Just see.
Hamsaduta: And it says nothing...
Prabhupada: Vegetables."
Prabhupada: Just see.
Hamsaduta: And it says nothing...
Prabhupada: Vegetables."
Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, June 11, 1974, Paris:
Prabhupada: "That is still lower grade man. But so far experience that "I
have not... God is beyond my experience." Another point that in the Bible,
Christ, Lord Christ says that "My Lord, Thy be hallowed..." What is that?
Devotees: "Hallowed be Thy name."
Prabhupada: So God has name.
Pusta-krsna: "Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed by Thy name."
Prabhupada: Eh? So he admits God has His name. But it may be that he did not disclose or did not like to say, but there is already name. So it is up to the followers to know what is that name."
Devotees: "Hallowed be Thy name."
Prabhupada: So God has name.
Pusta-krsna: "Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed by Thy name."
Prabhupada: Eh? So he admits God has His name. But it may be that he did not disclose or did not like to say, but there is already name. So it is up to the followers to know what is that name."
Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, June 15, 1976, Paris:
Prabhupada: "Christians, they cannot say that God is impersonal. (French)
Because, because Christ is son of God. So the son is person. How the Father
can be imperson? And in the Bible it is said, "There was word in the
beginning." That is God's word. So if one has a word, then He's a person.
Word comes from the tongue and mouth. As soon as there is word, background
is tongue and mouth. And then... The Christians pray in the church, "Oh,
God, give us our daily bread." So God has got ear so that He will hear and
supply. But His personality, His word, His hearing, they're all
transcendental, nonmaterial."
Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, June 15, 1974, Paris:
Prabhupada: "Yes. Just like in the Bible it is said, "There was only word in
the beginning." So in the beginning, there was word. That means that word
is not the word of this material creation."
Transmigration of Soul to Another Destination
Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, June 10, 1975, Honolulu:
Prabhupada: "Otherwise what is the meaning of going to God? They believe it.
Siddha-svarupa: Yes.
Prabhupada: What is, the Bible says, "Come to kingdom of God"?
Siddha-svarupa: Yes.
Prabhupada: So if you have no next life, how you are going to there?
Siddha-svarupa: Yes. They accept another life.
Prabhupada: Then that is... Another life means soul."
Siddha-svarupa: Yes.
Prabhupada: What is, the Bible says, "Come to kingdom of God"?
Siddha-svarupa: Yes.
Prabhupada: So if you have no next life, how you are going to there?
Siddha-svarupa: Yes. They accept another life.
Prabhupada: Then that is... Another life means soul."
Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, April 1, 1975, Mayapur:
Ravindra-svarupa: "In the Bible they give twelve names for God.
Prabhupada: No, let me finish this. If you do not accept Krsna is the name of God,... I have explained what is the idea of Krsna. The Krsna means all-attractive. The example is given: Just like gold. Gold is attractive to everyone--to the educated, the uneducated, to the black, to the white, man, woman, everyone. One who knows God, er, one who knows gold--gold is attractive. Similarly, God is all-attractive. There cannot be that "It is black gold," "It is white gold," "It is Christian gold," "It is Hindu gold." No. Gold is gold. So we present Krsna that "Here is God, all-attractive." Now you say, "No, He's not God." Then you present your God.
Pancadravida: Well, I know just the...
Prabhupada: You cannot say, reject. They cannot reject Krsna unless you present an alternative.
Pancadravida: Well, here's the argument. Part of the thing I remember in the Judeo tradition, Judeo-Christian tradition, in the... Whenever we used to go to service and all that, they used to have in the prayer books... They would never write out the name of God because they say...
Prabhupada: Oh, that means you do not know.
Pancadravida: No, they say God's name should never be spoken out loud.
Prabhupada: Why?
Pancadravida: I don't know.
Prabhupada: This is nonsense. If you know somebody, why should you say, "His name should not be explained"?
Brahmananda: They say that God's name is so pure and we are so impure that to utter His name is to make it impure.
Ravindra-svarupa: Is blasphemy.
Acyutananda: No, I heard the explanation that a nonbeliever should not know it.
Prabhupada: That is all right.
Acyutananda: So they don't say it out loud.
Prabhupada: No, when we come to argument that... We are supposed to be all believers in God. We are not nonbelievers. We simply want to ascertain who is that God. We are not nonbelievers. Then some persons who believe in God come together so to ascertain who is God. So just like when we come to a meeting to elect a president, so they are not nonbelievers. They are not nonbelievers. As there are so many personalities, candidate for president, now who is the right person to become the president? That is wanted. To the nonbelievers, he has no access. About discussion in God he has no access. When we discuss about God, it is supposed they are all believers. So if you say... Just like we are holding meeting to ascertain... There are so many names of God. Now we ascertain who is real God. God means there should be no more above Him. Mattah parataram nanyat. That is God.
Visnujana: Christians have such a name. They call Him Yahweh.
Acyutananda: Yahweh.
Visnujana: Yahweh means "I am that I am. No one is beyond Me."
Acyutananda: Yahweh.
Visnujana: They will say Yahweh is God.
Prabhupada: No, Yahweh, what is...? That is the name?
Visnujana: Name. "I am that..." It means in English, "I am that I am."
Prajapati: Some people translate that as jehovah.
Visnujana: jehovah.
Prajapati: But it's the same word. In fact, everyone agrees they do not know what the real name is. Some say Yahweh; some say jehovah. The Jewish tradition replaces completely and says Adonai, instead.
Prabhupada: That's all right. He may not say. But we have to take from the meaning. What is the meaning?
Visnujana: "No one is beyond Me."
Prabhupada: THAT'S ALL RIGHT. "NO ONE IS BEYOND ME." THEN HE COMES TO OUR CONCLUSION, ALL-ATTRACTIVE. THIS IS... THEY COME TO OUR CONCLUSION, ALL-ATTRACTIVE. BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY IS BEYOND HIM, THEN HE SHOULD BE ATTRACTIVE. BUT IF HE'S FINAL ATTRACTIVE, THEN ALL-ATTRACTIVE, KRSNA. KRSNA MEANS ALL-ATTRACTIVE. What do you think?"
Prabhupada: No, let me finish this. If you do not accept Krsna is the name of God,... I have explained what is the idea of Krsna. The Krsna means all-attractive. The example is given: Just like gold. Gold is attractive to everyone--to the educated, the uneducated, to the black, to the white, man, woman, everyone. One who knows God, er, one who knows gold--gold is attractive. Similarly, God is all-attractive. There cannot be that "It is black gold," "It is white gold," "It is Christian gold," "It is Hindu gold." No. Gold is gold. So we present Krsna that "Here is God, all-attractive." Now you say, "No, He's not God." Then you present your God.
Pancadravida: Well, I know just the...
Prabhupada: You cannot say, reject. They cannot reject Krsna unless you present an alternative.
Pancadravida: Well, here's the argument. Part of the thing I remember in the Judeo tradition, Judeo-Christian tradition, in the... Whenever we used to go to service and all that, they used to have in the prayer books... They would never write out the name of God because they say...
Prabhupada: Oh, that means you do not know.
Pancadravida: No, they say God's name should never be spoken out loud.
Prabhupada: Why?
Pancadravida: I don't know.
Prabhupada: This is nonsense. If you know somebody, why should you say, "His name should not be explained"?
Brahmananda: They say that God's name is so pure and we are so impure that to utter His name is to make it impure.
Ravindra-svarupa: Is blasphemy.
Acyutananda: No, I heard the explanation that a nonbeliever should not know it.
Prabhupada: That is all right.
Acyutananda: So they don't say it out loud.
Prabhupada: No, when we come to argument that... We are supposed to be all believers in God. We are not nonbelievers. We simply want to ascertain who is that God. We are not nonbelievers. Then some persons who believe in God come together so to ascertain who is God. So just like when we come to a meeting to elect a president, so they are not nonbelievers. They are not nonbelievers. As there are so many personalities, candidate for president, now who is the right person to become the president? That is wanted. To the nonbelievers, he has no access. About discussion in God he has no access. When we discuss about God, it is supposed they are all believers. So if you say... Just like we are holding meeting to ascertain... There are so many names of God. Now we ascertain who is real God. God means there should be no more above Him. Mattah parataram nanyat. That is God.
Visnujana: Christians have such a name. They call Him Yahweh.
Acyutananda: Yahweh.
Visnujana: Yahweh means "I am that I am. No one is beyond Me."
Acyutananda: Yahweh.
Visnujana: They will say Yahweh is God.
Prabhupada: No, Yahweh, what is...? That is the name?
Visnujana: Name. "I am that..." It means in English, "I am that I am."
Prajapati: Some people translate that as jehovah.
Visnujana: jehovah.
Prajapati: But it's the same word. In fact, everyone agrees they do not know what the real name is. Some say Yahweh; some say jehovah. The Jewish tradition replaces completely and says Adonai, instead.
Prabhupada: That's all right. He may not say. But we have to take from the meaning. What is the meaning?
Visnujana: "No one is beyond Me."
Prabhupada: THAT'S ALL RIGHT. "NO ONE IS BEYOND ME." THEN HE COMES TO OUR CONCLUSION, ALL-ATTRACTIVE. THIS IS... THEY COME TO OUR CONCLUSION, ALL-ATTRACTIVE. BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY IS BEYOND HIM, THEN HE SHOULD BE ATTRACTIVE. BUT IF HE'S FINAL ATTRACTIVE, THEN ALL-ATTRACTIVE, KRSNA. KRSNA MEANS ALL-ATTRACTIVE. What do you think?"
Denying the Master
There
are a number of strikingly similar parallels which both Srila
Prabhupada and Jesus Christ encountered. For instance, Jesus Christ
could foresee that his disciples would deny him or betray him. Srila
Prabhupada could also foresee the same DENYING BY HIS OWN DISCIPLES.
Srimad Bhagavatam 4.28.48:
"Whenever
an acarya comes, following the superior orders of the Supreme
Personality of Godhead or His representative, he establishes the
principles
of religion, as enunciated in Bhagavad-gita. Religion means abiding by
the
orders of the Supreme personality of Godhead. Religious principles begin
from the time one surrenders to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. It
is
the acarya's duty to spread a bona fide religious system and induce
everyone to bow down before the Supreme Lord. One executes the religious
principles by rendering devotional service, specifically the nine items
like hearing, chanting and remembering. UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN THE ACARYA
DISAPPEARS, ROGUES AND NONDEVOTEES TAKE ADVANTAGE AND IMMEDIATELY BEGIN
TO INTRODUCE UNAUTHORIZED PRINCIPLES IN THE NAME OF SO-CALLED SVAMIS,
YOGIS, PHILANTHROPISTS, WELFARE WORKERS AND SO ON."
Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, May 3, 1976, Honolulu:
Prabhupada: "And Lord Jesus Christ was killed. So they may kill me also."
Srila
Prabhupada's "passing away" was under VERY suspicious circumstances.
It appears from the statements of Srila Prabhupada in the conversation
tapes (Hindi/English) he was poisoned by his leading "disciples". Murder
is a very stong possibility. In fact, Srila Prabhupada in reference to his being poisoned said, "Its possible". (Hear From Srila Prabhupada (the essence of the poison issue).
Was Christ referring to Lord Caitanya or previous Acaryas?
Various
persons have stated that Jesus Christ could be referring to Caitanya
Mahaprabhu as that Holy Spirit. Some say it could be one of the previous
acaryas. Interesting enough, – even some Muslims claim Mohammmed was that Holy Spirit. So In this section, I will refute ALL those claims.
Holy Bible, John 14:26:
"But the Counsellor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. "
Holy Bible, John 15:26:
"When the Counsellor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me. "
Lord
Caitanya Mahaprabhu did not speak about Jesus Christ. The Acaryas,
e.g., Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur and Srila Bhaktivinoda
Thakur just briefly touched on topics of Jesus Christ. It is ONLY Srila
Prabhupada who EXTENSIVELY lays claim of THAT Holy Spirit. The CLEAR
evidence is his books, CD's, tapes.
a) will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you
b) he will testify about me."
b) he will testify about me."
As
for the claim Mohammed is that Holy Spirit – that does not apply since
he did not guide into ALL TRUTH namely (Srimad Bhagavatam1.2.11):
"The Absolute Truth is realized in three phases
of understanding by the knower of the Absolute Truth, and all of them
are identical. Such phases of the Absolute Truth are expressed as Brahman, Paramatma, and Bhagavan. "
Furthermore, the set-up of the Ritvik system (July 9th 1977) runs parallel to the Christians:
Srila Prabhupada Lecture, October 2, 1968, Seattle:
Madhudvisa:
"Is there any way for a Christian to, without the help of a spiritual
master, to reach the spiritual sky through believing in the words of
Jesus Christ and trying to follow his teachings?
Prabhupada: I don't follow.
Tamala Krsna: Can a Christian in this age, without a spiritual master, but by reading the Bible and following Jesus's words, reach the...
Prabhupada: When you read Bible, you follow spiritual master. How can you say without? As soon as you read Bible, that means you are following the instruction of Lord Jesus Christ, that means you are following spiritual master. So where is the opportunity of being without spiritual master?
Madhudvisa: I was referring to a living spiritual master.
Prabhupada: Spiritual master is not the question of... Spiritual master is ETERNAL. Spiritual master is ETERNAL. So your question is without spiritual master. Without spiritual master you cannot be, at any stage of your life. You may accept this spiritual master or that spiritual master. That is a different thing. But you have to accept. As you say that "by reading Bible," when you read Bible that means you are following the spiritual master REPRESENTED by some priest or some clergyman in the line of Lord Jesus Christ. So any case, you have to follow a spiritual master. There cannot be the question without spiritual master. Is that clear?"
Prabhupada: I don't follow.
Tamala Krsna: Can a Christian in this age, without a spiritual master, but by reading the Bible and following Jesus's words, reach the...
Prabhupada: When you read Bible, you follow spiritual master. How can you say without? As soon as you read Bible, that means you are following the instruction of Lord Jesus Christ, that means you are following spiritual master. So where is the opportunity of being without spiritual master?
Madhudvisa: I was referring to a living spiritual master.
Prabhupada: Spiritual master is not the question of... Spiritual master is ETERNAL. Spiritual master is ETERNAL. So your question is without spiritual master. Without spiritual master you cannot be, at any stage of your life. You may accept this spiritual master or that spiritual master. That is a different thing. But you have to accept. As you say that "by reading Bible," when you read Bible that means you are following the spiritual master REPRESENTED by some priest or some clergyman in the line of Lord Jesus Christ. So any case, you have to follow a spiritual master. There cannot be the question without spiritual master. Is that clear?"
Srila
Prabhupada is teaching the same message: how to serve Krishna through
the transparent via medium -- his books(instructions).
Caitanya-caritamrta Adi 1.35:
"If there is no chance to serve the spiritual master directly, a devotee
should serve him by remembering his instructions. There is NO
DIFFERENCE between the spiritual master's instructions and the spiritual
master himself. In his absence, therefore, his words of direction
should be the pride of the disciple.
Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya 24.330:
"Similarly,
a disciple's qualifications must be observed by the spiritual master
before he is accepted as a disciple. In our Krsna consciousness
movement, the requirement is that one must be prepared to give up the
four pillars of sinful life-illicit sex, meat-eating, intoxication and
gambling. In Western countries especially, we first observe whether a
potential disciple is prepared to follow the regulative principles. Then
he is given the name of a Vaisnava servant and initiated to chant the
Hare Krsna maha-mantra, at least sixteen rounds daily. In this way the
disciple renders devotional service under the guidance of the spiritual
master or HIS REPRESENTATIVE for at least six months to a
year. He is then recommended for a second initiation, during which a
sacred thread is offered and the disciple is accepted as a bona fide
brahmana."
Further evidence of his set-up of HIS REPRESENTATIVE: Ritvik - **Representative**".
HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE
Bhaktivedanta Book Trust. HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada
I just love reading glories and memories of Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada is soooooooooooo amazing.........
ReplyDeleteIt's true that Srila Prabhupada is a great saint, but ISCKON people are so proudy that they think they are the only devotees in the world. Whereas Srila Prabhupada never supported this mentality. Come on, rise up, Lord Krishna is only one avatar from dashavtars, who are you to condemn the feelings of the devotees
ReplyDeleteWhat you say is true, there are always pure devotees or saints here, one only has to cry to Kṛṣṇa for His causeless mercy and He will make all arrangements for you to meet with the pure devotee. Only those proud fellows who think they can see, measure and know who is a pure devotee by their own effort or those that do not want to surrender will be cheated and think there was only one pure Guru and He is the only one. Guru Tattva is one, the Supersoul appears to the sincere soul in the form of Guru.
DeleteKṛṣṇa appears in two ways. He appears as antaryāmi, the Supersoul within himself, within oneself, and He appears as the spiritual master, externally. Caitya-guru and dīkṣā-guru. Caitya-guru... As caitya-guru, as the supreme spiritual master, He is in everyone's heart. And His representative... In order to help externally the sincere person, He sends the spiritual master. Therefore the spiritual master from outside and the caitya-guru from inside, they are helping. The Supreme Personality is helping a devotee, a real, serious devotee two ways: from within, from without. The Caitanya-caritāmṛta therefore says that kṛṣṇera prakāśa, manifestation of Kṛṣṇa, a spiritual master.
Kṛṣṇa is not one of the Daśāvatāras, He is Avatārī the original personality of Godhead and the source of all Avatāras.
Dear Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteFirst know know who is God, who is Devotee & what is Bhakti....then enter into the philosophy...
Pls change your mind and act in favor of Krsna..
ALL GLORIES TO HIS DIVINE GRACE A.C.BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI SRILA PRABHUPADA!--All respects to the devotee who took the time and energy to compile all these quotes by SRILA PRABHUPADA concerning Lord Jesus Christ.Very good job.I can use this article to save time when preaching to sincere persons who have an interest in SRI KRSNA,but hesitate to accept SRILA PRABHUPADA due to a lifetime of "Christian" brainwashing.ALL GLORIES TO ALL THE VAISNAVA DEVOTEES OF THE LORD.--JAI RADHE!
ReplyDeletePlease avoid talking down to "Christians" as being brainwashed. That is not a loving thing to do and you repel instead of attract. They could then also say that YOU are brainwashed. So we need to avoid incendiary language and actually BE Krsna-conscious. They are doing the best they can with what they have, even if it is not perfect. Let's be a shining example to them without any hidden arrogance or malice in our hearts. "Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." Luke 6:45
ReplyDelete"AND I SAW ANOTHER ANGEL FLY IN THE MIDST OF HEAVEN (or in midair), HAVING THE EVERLASTING (or eternal) GOSPEL TO PREACH (or proclaim) UNTO THEM THAT DWELL (or live) ON THE EARTH, AND TO EVERY NATION, AND KINDRED (or tribe), AND TONGUE (or language), AND PEOPLE"
ReplyDelete-Rev 14:6.
Whether this is 1) a literal angel preaching as he flies in the air, or 2) a symbolic angel.
Bhagavad Gita (introdiuction):
"The whole purpose of Bhagavad-gītā is to revive our sanātana occupation, or sanātana-dharma, which is the eternal occupation of the living entity. We are temporarily engaged in different activities, but all of these activities can be purified when we give up all these temporary activities and take up the activities which are prescribed by the Supreme Lord. That is called our pure life."