By: Compiled by Dama Ghosha Dasa (Seattle, USA)
Prabhupada: Yes, and therefore yet it has become very great.
Yogesvara: Now it’s in the top six.
Prabhupada: But there is no food. Never mind, you starve, but get your atom bomb. That's all. This is civilization. There was a cartoon. Somebody approached some politician, and he said, "Yes, I know there is food problem. So I cannot say what can I do for you, but from next week, you will have television." This is their program, "From next week you will have television." As if television will minimize my hunger. This is the civilization. Hare Krishna.....
[I was just sent an interesting email today from a businessman type devotee who is interested in world finance as well. In this financial report it was spelling out the factual demise of the once stable American dollar as tradeable world currency, and the rapid rise of the Chinese dollar in its place, and how the Chinese are planning on taking over the world, which they already are doing. If this takes place, everyone's financial life will dramatically change. All the more reason to take to this live local model stressed for by Srila Prabhupada]
Click here to read that report.
So you ask problem, I will answer. Your energy, problems of energy, petrol, it will be automatically solved. If we are localized, there is no question of petrol.
Bhagavan: You say in the, I think it's in the Second Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam, that by doing so much drilling into the earth, they actually disturbed the rotation of the earth.
Prabhupada: Yes, we can think like that. Just like the plane, aeroplane, is flying. There is sufficient petrol stock. Is it not? So the world has got sufficient petrol stock. If you do not know how it is being used, maybe due to this petrol, it is floating. And if you take away the petrol stock, it may drop. Everything is there. There is a purpose. Purnam idam. There is full purpose. Not that whimsically petrol is there within the earth. There is some purpose.
Devotee: What they do, Srila Prabhupada, is take the petrol out and put salt water, because they know there can be an imbalance. And then they put salt water in the holes.
Prabhupada: But water cannot produce gas. Petrol produces gas. Maybe due to that gas, it is floating. Because we have got practical experience. When there is gas, you can float anything.
Dhananjaya: Like a balloon.
Bhagavan: There is another big problem that now all the opposing countries have built up excess amounts of atomic weapons all pointed at each other. So now they are trying to have big planning conference how to diminish all these weapons.
Prabhupada: If there is no opposite elements, there is no need of weapons. If I am not your enemy, there is no fear. We are preaching this philosophy, brahma-bhutah prasannatma: "As soon as you become Krishna conscious, you become jubilant." So where is your enemy? Samah sarvesu bhutesu. Then where is your enemy? Formerly, a man might have become enemy of another man. But this demonic civilization has created nation to nation, country to country, community to community, all enemies. And on account of this communistic enemy, so many innocent people are killed. I have seen in Calcutta during the partition days. So many innocent Hindus and Muslims were killed. Any (indistinct), very quickly this Communistic feeling is aroused, and they fight, like cats and dogs. "Oh, here is another dog! Here is another dog, coming from another neighborhood." So this is demonic civilization. If you want to go to some country, you have to take visa, permission, this, that, so many. Why? Vedic civilization is "You come to my country. Welcome. You are my guest." Grhe satrum api praptam visvastam akutobhayam: "Even one is enemy, when he comes to my house, he is my
honorable guest." And here, they are so much afraid that you keep dogs. The dog is kept here. (loud truck noise)
Bhagavan: Prabhupada, I think we better go somewhere else. There is too many cars here.
Prabhupada: Yes, this isn't a place for walking. (break)
Yogesvara: ...all the major nations of the world have... These atomic weapons constitute very great storehouses for them. So what should they do with all of these things.
Prabhupada: They should throw. I throw upon you, you throw upon me. You go to hell, I go to hell. That's all. This will be the result. And the world will be cleansed of these all rascals. This will be the result. (laughs)
Bhagavan: In the Teachings of Lord Chaitanya, you say that even the atomic bombs can be used in Krishna's service.
Prabhupada: It will be used by nature. Prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani. He is thinking that "I am proprietor of this atomic bomb," but he does not know that the other's atomic bomb will kill me, and my atomic bomb, I kill him. That's all. He does not know that. He is thinking, "I am very proud of possessing." But that will be the cause
of his death.
Yogesvara: Is such an atomic war foretold in Bhag...
Prabhupada: Yes. Next war means atomic war. All these rascals will be killed automatically. I will kill you, you'll kill me. That's all.
Yogesvara: Is that war to occur in the recent future? Or is that a long way off?
Prabhupada: Very recent, very recent future. This Communist and Capitalist mentality will bring the next... The Communists will be victorious.
Dhananjaya: And after the war what will be the result?
Prabhupada: After the war they will come to sense. The Communist problem... Communist is not a problem. It is good proposal, but they are missing one point. They are making Lenin the leader. If they make Krishna the leader, then the Communistic idea will be very fruitful. They are picking up a rascal leader, but if they pick up the nice leader, God the supreme dictator, then every-thing is all right. They are catching up a dictator, but they do not know that he is rascal number one. But if he catches the Supreme Lord as dictator, as Krishna says, sarva-dharman parityajya, then he will be happy, immediately. Keep amongst yourself and produce. Produce food grain, produce cotton, mustard seed. Self dependent, no use... And we don't require motorcar. Bullock cart is sufficient. There is no need of going anywhere.
Bhagavan: We can make our own cloth? Khadi.
Prabhupada: Yes, cotton. From cotton you can make your own cloth.
Dhananjaya: My wife knows how to spin cloth.
Prabhupada: Yes. By spinning thread, then you make cloth. Without any price. You grow your cotton and have your cloth. So by machine, they have created so many idle brain, and therefore hippies are coming out, problem. This is the result of this. Because they have created this machine, not everyone is employed, so he must become a hippie. Idle brain is a devil's workshop.
Yogesvara: Mahatma Gandhi formulated many such programs for producing khadi, for cow protection and so on.
Prabhupada: No, he did not make any cow protection.
Yogesvara: No? We know from your teachings that he was missing the point.
Prabhupada: Missing... The point is God. He was atheist. He did not believe in Krishna.
Yogesvara: But from the level of application of his programs, is there some value?
Prabhupada: Yes, that is good program, to produce your own necessities of life. That is good idea.
[here again Srila Prabhupada reinforcing his original idea that he wants his disciples to live locally, grow their own food and in this way begin a life of independence from the karmi rat race.]
But he could not turn the people, because they are godless. Godless man cannot have any good qualification. I requested him to become God conscious and preach Krishna consciousness. He thought it ludicrous. Yes. He was such a godless man.
to be continued.....