Bhakta Mark
"This is Caitanya
Mahāprabhu's mission. He says, "You become a
spiritual master." "How? I have no qualification." "No. You just
accept my order?" "So what is your order, sir?" Yāre dekha, tāre kaha
'kṛṣṇa'-upadeśa: [Cc. Madhya 7.128] "You simply speak the instruction
of Kṛṣṇa whoever you meet. Then you become a spiritual master."
(Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.15 -- Bombay, April 4, 1974)
Therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, āmāra ājñāya guru haya tāra sarva-
deśa, tāra ei deśa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. He's asking everyone to become
a spiritual master. So how everyone can become a spiritual master? A
spiritual master must have sufficient knowledge, so many other
qualifications. No. Even without any qualifications, one can become a
spiritual master. How? Now the process is, Caitanya Mahāprabhu says,
āmāra ājñāya: "On My order." That is the crucial point. One does not
become spiritual master by his own whims. That is not spiritual
master. He must be ordered by superior authority. Then he's spiritual
master. Āmāra ājñāya. Just like in our case. Our superior authority,
our spiritual master, he ordered me that "You just try to preach this
gospel, whatever you have learned from me, in English." So we have
tried it. That's all. It is not that I am very much qualified. The
only qualification is that I have tried to execute the order of
superior authority. That's all. This is the secret of success.
(Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 2.2 -- London, August 3, 1973)
Antya 6.312 – TRANSLATION: He never touched anything to wear except a
small torn cloth and a patchwork wrapper. Thus he very rigidly
executed the order of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu.
PURPORT: The principle of very rigidly carrying out the order of the
spiritual master must be observed. The spiritual master gives
different orders to different people. For example, Śrī Caitanya
Mahāprabhu ordered Jīva Gosvāmī, Rūpa Gosvāmī and Sanātana Gosvāmī to
preach, and He ordered Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī to strictly follow the
rules and regulations of the renounced order. All six Gosvāmīs
strictly followed the instructions of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. This
is the principle for progress in devotional service. After receiving
an order from the spiritual master, one must strictly try to execute
the order. That is the way of success.
Is there anyone out there in Iskcon who was EVER specifically ordered
by Srila Prabhupada to become an INITIATING spiritual master and
accept disciples on their own behalf?
I have seen no such evidence. The only orders I have ever seen were
to become instructor spiritual masters by preaching and instructing
“exactly” as Srila Prabhupada instructed. There is an incredibly
broad latitude for becoming Instructing Spiritual master. NOT SO FOR
DIKSA GURU.
Regarding your question about the husband becoming the Spiritual
Master of the wife, anyone who can give instructing in spiritual life
is treated as Spiritual Master. There are two kinds of Spiritual
Master, initiator and instructor. So the husband can help the wife as
instructor.
(Letter to: Himavati -- Los Angeles 24 January, 1969)
"To answer your last point, one who teaches can be treated as
Spiritual Master. It is not that after we become initiated we become
perfect. No. It requires teaching. So if we take instruction from
them, all senior godbrothers may be treated as guru, there is no harm.
Actually, you have only one Spiritual Master, who initiates you, just
as you have only one father. But every Vaisnava should be treated as
prabhu, master, higher than me, and in this sense, if I learn from
him, he may be regarded as guru. It is not that I disobey my real
Spiritual Master and call someone else as Spiritual Master. That is
wrong. It is only that I can call Spiritual Master someone who is
teaching me purely what my initiating Spiritual Master has taught. Do
you get the sense?"
(Letter to: Sri Galim -- Delhi 20 November, 1971)
"Śikṣā-guru does not mean he is speaking something against the
teachings of the dīkṣā-guru. He is not a śikṣā-guru. He is a rascal."
(Bhagavad-gita 17.1-3 -- Honolulu, July 4, 1974)
The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am in the initiator
guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am
teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must
actually come to this platform. This I want.
(Letter to: Madhudvisa: -- Detroit 4 August, 1975)
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE DIKSA GURU OR INITIATING SPIRITUAL MASTER IS
MEANT TO BE A MAHA BHAGAVATA, WORSHIPPED AS GOOD AS GOD. In ISKCON we
were instructed that was to include the following
1. Obeisances offered to the Initiating Spiritual Master via PERSONAL
Pranama Mantra
2. Worship of that Diksa Guru on Vyasa Puja celebration
3. Daily special Guru Puja to that Diksa Guru
4. Worship of that Diksa Guru’s Murti or Picture on the same level as
Deity worship.
"When one has attained the topmost position of mahä-bhägavata, he is
to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the
Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the
post of a guru."
(Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 24.330)
Srila Prabhupada: "One who has got this divya-jñāna, vāsudevaḥ sarvam
iti sa mahātmā, that is mahātmā. But that is very, very rare.
Otherwise, mahātmā LIKE ME, they are loitering in the street. That is.
So you should always remember this word, divya-jñāna hṛde prakāśito.
And because the spiritual master enlightens the divya-jñāna, one feels
obliged to him. Yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādo yasya prasādān na
gatiḥ kuto ‘pi **. *So this guru-pūjā essential.* *As the Deity
worship essential*… It is not cheap adoration. It is the process of
enlightening the divya-jñāna.**
(Lecture — Bombay, April 1, 1977)
My dear Karandhara,
Please accept my blessings. I beg to thank you for your letter dated
January 21st, 1976.
The photos of my murti are very nice. The murti of the Spiritual
Master should be treated as good as the Deity. Saksad-dharitvena
samasta-sastrair, uktas tatha bhavyata eva sadbhih/kintu prabhor yah
priya eva tasya **, The guru should be treated as good as God. This is
stated in all the sastras. The difference is that God is master-God
and guru is servant-God. So the installation ceremony for such a murti
should be similar to that done for other Deities. All Temples can have
this Deity if they like. But Temples which have only Panca-tattva
painting worship should not be given this Deity.
You should make a murti of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati and then
they may be worshiped together as is now being done in our Krishna
Balarama Temple. They should be placed with Gaura Nitai—Guru Gauranga.
(Letter to: Karandhara -- Mayapur 29 January, 1976)
Please accept my blessings. I have received your letter dated Jan. 3rd
and have noted the contents. It is nice that you are enthusiastically
engaged in New York. I have no objection to your worshiping my murti
for Guru Puja. But for placing in the temple there must be a pair of
murtis, (my Guru Maharaja must be there) as in Krsna-Balarama Mandir,
and they must be permanently installed. This may be done in accord
with the temple authorities. Or else you may worship one murti of
myself privately in your room.
(Letter to: Sudama -- Allahabad 13 January, 1977)
And if that isn't obvious enough for you brainiacs, how about the fact
that IF INDEED ALL THE DEVOTEES "GIVING DIKSA" IN ISKCON WERE
MAHABHAGAVATAS CAPABLE OF BEING INITIATING SPIRITUAL MASTERS, THE GBC
WOULD BE IN THE DEFAULT POSITION OF APARADHIS ACCORDING TO SRILA RUPA
GOSWAMI.
Prabhupada “It is also an offense to consider an empowered Vaiṣṇava an
object of disciplinary action. It is offensive to try to give him
advice or to correct him. One can distinguish between a neophyte
Vaiṣṇava and an advanced Vaiṣṇava by their activities. The advanced
Vaiṣṇava is always situated as the spiritual master, and the neophyte
is always considered his disciple. The spiritual master must not be
subjected to the advice of a disciple, nor should a spiritual master
be obliged to take instructions from those who are not his disciples.
This is the sum and substance of Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī’s advice in the
sixth verse.” NOI 6
------------------------------
Sorry kids. NO MORE DIKSA GURUS NEEDED IN ISKCON TEMPLES.
Why don't all you neophytes who can't live a moment without being worshiped and cannot accept the humble position of a priest, simply take all your disciples out of Srila Prabhupada's temples and start your own, write your own god-damned books, show us how wonderful and glorious you really are?
Leave Iskcon's properties of all forms to those devotees who actually want to live according to the rules and regulations set down by the Founder. Then in the future you are always welcome to apply for affiliation to
Iskcon. But why would you want to? After all since you are such glorious MahaBhagavatas, by that time your asramas will have surpassed Iskcon by leaps and bounds!
spiritual master." "How? I have no qualification." "No. You just
accept my order?" "So what is your order, sir?" Yāre dekha, tāre kaha
'kṛṣṇa'-upadeśa: [Cc. Madhya 7.128] "You simply speak the instruction
of Kṛṣṇa whoever you meet. Then you become a spiritual master."
(Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.15 -- Bombay, April 4, 1974)
Therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, āmāra ājñāya guru haya tāra sarva-
deśa, tāra ei deśa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. He's asking everyone to become
a spiritual master. So how everyone can become a spiritual master? A
spiritual master must have sufficient knowledge, so many other
qualifications. No. Even without any qualifications, one can become a
spiritual master. How? Now the process is, Caitanya Mahāprabhu says,
āmāra ājñāya: "On My order." That is the crucial point. One does not
become spiritual master by his own whims. That is not spiritual
master. He must be ordered by superior authority. Then he's spiritual
master. Āmāra ājñāya. Just like in our case. Our superior authority,
our spiritual master, he ordered me that "You just try to preach this
gospel, whatever you have learned from me, in English." So we have
tried it. That's all. It is not that I am very much qualified. The
only qualification is that I have tried to execute the order of
superior authority. That's all. This is the secret of success.
(Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 2.2 -- London, August 3, 1973)
Antya 6.312 – TRANSLATION: He never touched anything to wear except a
small torn cloth and a patchwork wrapper. Thus he very rigidly
executed the order of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu.
PURPORT: The principle of very rigidly carrying out the order of the
spiritual master must be observed. The spiritual master gives
different orders to different people. For example, Śrī Caitanya
Mahāprabhu ordered Jīva Gosvāmī, Rūpa Gosvāmī and Sanātana Gosvāmī to
preach, and He ordered Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī to strictly follow the
rules and regulations of the renounced order. All six Gosvāmīs
strictly followed the instructions of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. This
is the principle for progress in devotional service. After receiving
an order from the spiritual master, one must strictly try to execute
the order. That is the way of success.
Is there anyone out there in Iskcon who was EVER specifically ordered
by Srila Prabhupada to become an INITIATING spiritual master and
accept disciples on their own behalf?
I have seen no such evidence. The only orders I have ever seen were
to become instructor spiritual masters by preaching and instructing
“exactly” as Srila Prabhupada instructed. There is an incredibly
broad latitude for becoming Instructing Spiritual master. NOT SO FOR
DIKSA GURU.
Regarding your question about the husband becoming the Spiritual
Master of the wife, anyone who can give instructing in spiritual life
is treated as Spiritual Master. There are two kinds of Spiritual
Master, initiator and instructor. So the husband can help the wife as
instructor.
(Letter to: Himavati -- Los Angeles 24 January, 1969)
"To answer your last point, one who teaches can be treated as
Spiritual Master. It is not that after we become initiated we become
perfect. No. It requires teaching. So if we take instruction from
them, all senior godbrothers may be treated as guru, there is no harm.
Actually, you have only one Spiritual Master, who initiates you, just
as you have only one father. But every Vaisnava should be treated as
prabhu, master, higher than me, and in this sense, if I learn from
him, he may be regarded as guru. It is not that I disobey my real
Spiritual Master and call someone else as Spiritual Master. That is
wrong. It is only that I can call Spiritual Master someone who is
teaching me purely what my initiating Spiritual Master has taught. Do
you get the sense?"
(Letter to: Sri Galim -- Delhi 20 November, 1971)
"Śikṣā-guru does not mean he is speaking something against the
teachings of the dīkṣā-guru. He is not a śikṣā-guru. He is a rascal."
(Bhagavad-gita 17.1-3 -- Honolulu, July 4, 1974)
The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am in the initiator
guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am
teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must
actually come to this platform. This I want.
(Letter to: Madhudvisa: -- Detroit 4 August, 1975)
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE DIKSA GURU OR INITIATING SPIRITUAL MASTER IS
MEANT TO BE A MAHA BHAGAVATA, WORSHIPPED AS GOOD AS GOD. In ISKCON we
were instructed that was to include the following
1. Obeisances offered to the Initiating Spiritual Master via PERSONAL
Pranama Mantra
2. Worship of that Diksa Guru on Vyasa Puja celebration
3. Daily special Guru Puja to that Diksa Guru
4. Worship of that Diksa Guru’s Murti or Picture on the same level as
Deity worship.
"When one has attained the topmost position of mahä-bhägavata, he is
to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the
Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the
post of a guru."
(Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 24.330)
Srila Prabhupada: "One who has got this divya-jñāna, vāsudevaḥ sarvam
iti sa mahātmā, that is mahātmā. But that is very, very rare.
Otherwise, mahātmā LIKE ME, they are loitering in the street. That is.
So you should always remember this word, divya-jñāna hṛde prakāśito.
And because the spiritual master enlightens the divya-jñāna, one feels
obliged to him. Yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādo yasya prasādān na
gatiḥ kuto ‘pi **. *So this guru-pūjā essential.* *As the Deity
worship essential*… It is not cheap adoration. It is the process of
enlightening the divya-jñāna.**
(Lecture — Bombay, April 1, 1977)
My dear Karandhara,
Please accept my blessings. I beg to thank you for your letter dated
January 21st, 1976.
The photos of my murti are very nice. The murti of the Spiritual
Master should be treated as good as the Deity. Saksad-dharitvena
samasta-sastrair, uktas tatha bhavyata eva sadbhih/kintu prabhor yah
priya eva tasya **, The guru should be treated as good as God. This is
stated in all the sastras. The difference is that God is master-God
and guru is servant-God. So the installation ceremony for such a murti
should be similar to that done for other Deities. All Temples can have
this Deity if they like. But Temples which have only Panca-tattva
painting worship should not be given this Deity.
You should make a murti of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati and then
they may be worshiped together as is now being done in our Krishna
Balarama Temple. They should be placed with Gaura Nitai—Guru Gauranga.
(Letter to: Karandhara -- Mayapur 29 January, 1976)
Please accept my blessings. I have received your letter dated Jan. 3rd
and have noted the contents. It is nice that you are enthusiastically
engaged in New York. I have no objection to your worshiping my murti
for Guru Puja. But for placing in the temple there must be a pair of
murtis, (my Guru Maharaja must be there) as in Krsna-Balarama Mandir,
and they must be permanently installed. This may be done in accord
with the temple authorities. Or else you may worship one murti of
myself privately in your room.
(Letter to: Sudama -- Allahabad 13 January, 1977)
And if that isn't obvious enough for you brainiacs, how about the fact
that IF INDEED ALL THE DEVOTEES "GIVING DIKSA" IN ISKCON WERE
MAHABHAGAVATAS CAPABLE OF BEING INITIATING SPIRITUAL MASTERS, THE GBC
WOULD BE IN THE DEFAULT POSITION OF APARADHIS ACCORDING TO SRILA RUPA
GOSWAMI.
Prabhupada “It is also an offense to consider an empowered Vaiṣṇava an
object of disciplinary action. It is offensive to try to give him
advice or to correct him. One can distinguish between a neophyte
Vaiṣṇava and an advanced Vaiṣṇava by their activities. The advanced
Vaiṣṇava is always situated as the spiritual master, and the neophyte
is always considered his disciple. The spiritual master must not be
subjected to the advice of a disciple, nor should a spiritual master
be obliged to take instructions from those who are not his disciples.
This is the sum and substance of Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī’s advice in the
sixth verse.” NOI 6
------------------------------
Sorry kids. NO MORE DIKSA GURUS NEEDED IN ISKCON TEMPLES.
Why don't all you neophytes who can't live a moment without being worshiped and cannot accept the humble position of a priest, simply take all your disciples out of Srila Prabhupada's temples and start your own, write your own god-damned books, show us how wonderful and glorious you really are?
Leave Iskcon's properties of all forms to those devotees who actually want to live according to the rules and regulations set down by the Founder. Then in the future you are always welcome to apply for affiliation to
Iskcon. But why would you want to? After all since you are such glorious MahaBhagavatas, by that time your asramas will have surpassed Iskcon by leaps and bounds!
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