By:
Mahesh Raja (UK)
“The guru MUST be situated on the topmost platform of devotional
service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be
accepted from the topmost class.”
….
“When one has attained the topmost position of maha-bhagavat, he is to
be accepted as a guru and worshipped exactly like Hari, the Personality
of Godhead. ONLY SUCH A PERSON is eligible to occupy the post of a
guru.”
- (C.c. Madhya 24.330, purport)
Nectar of Devotion - 8 Offenses to Be Avoided
The offenses against the chanting of the holy name are as follows: (3) TO DISOBEY THE ORDERS OF THE SPIRITUAL MASTER.
Gour-Gadadhara dasa prabhu would you care to explain HOW an OFFENSIVE chanter can give Diksha?
They are now trying to JUSTIFY in ISKCON, a Madhyama can give diksha because EVERYONE KNOWS they are NOT Maha-bhagavata.
Something below to refresh Gour-Gadadhara Prabhu’s memory of what Diksha means:
Reply to Nimai Pandit Prabhu
Nimai Pandit Das: My desire is to come to understand fully, if it is
the Truth (I am keeping the possibility open that it may not be), and to
explore the possibility that the process of Diksha is explained so
comprehensively, THAT THERE CAN BE NO QUESTION TO ACCEPT THAT ONLY SRILA
PRABHUPADA IS THAT DIKSHA GURU, OF ALL OF US. AND THAT AS A SIDE ISSUE
JULY 9TH LETTER is of course, so natural. I think to try to
prove/disprove the July 9th letter from the angle of past “ritvik”
practices is superficial and a play in logic by both sides.
Mahesh: VERY EASY. Let’s consider the following facts:
1) WHY did Srila Prabhupada ARRANGE to have his OWN murti in ALL the
temples in ISKCON for worshiping during Guru Puja UNLESS he was GIVER OF
the DIVYA Jnana hrdaya prakasito HE GIVES DIVYA JNANA (DIKSA)
ONLY a MAHABHAGAVATA is accepted as Worshipable Diksha Guru as per
Chaitanya Charitamrita Madhya 24.330. Srila Prabhupada is THE ACHARYA of
ISKCON.
NOTE: It is ONLY ACHARYA that can give DIKSHA because
even in Nectar of Devotion this is stated REGARDING ACCEPTING INITIATION
from the spiritual master it refers to Srimad Bhagavatam 11.17.27 which
is ACHARYA.
Nectar of Devotion 7 — Evidence Regarding Devotional Principles
REGARDING
ACCEPTING INITIATION from the spiritual master, in the Eleventh Canto
of Srimad-Bhagavatam, Seventeenth Chapter, verse 27, it is stated by
Lord Krishna, “My dear Uddhava, the spiritual master must be
accepted not only as My representative, but as My very self. He must
never be considered on the same level with an ordinary human being. One
should never be envious of the spiritual master, as one may be envious
of an ordinary man. The spiritual master should always be seen as the
representative of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and by serving the
spiritual master one is able to serve all the demigods.”
Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.7.15 Purport — Indra Offends His Spiritual Master, Brihaspati:
“By the mercy of the spiritual master one is benedicted by the
mercy of Krishna. Without the grace of the spiritual master, one cannot
make any advancement.” A disciple should never be a hypocrite
or be unfaithful to his spiritual master. In Srimad-Bhagavatam
(11.17.27), THE SPIRITUAL MASTER IS ALSO CALLED ACHARYA. Acaryam mam
vijaniyan: the Supreme Personality of Godhead says that one should
respect the spiritual master, accepting him as the Lord Himself.
Navamanyeta karhicit: one should not disrespect the acharya at any time.
Na martya-buddhyasuyeta: one should never think the acharya an ordinary
person. Familiarity sometimes breeds contempt, but one should be very
careful in one’s dealings with the acharya. Agadha-dhisanam dvijam: the
acharya is a perfect brahmana and has unlimited intelligence in guiding
the activities of his disciple.
2) Srila Prabhupada put it DELIBERATELY in all his books
FOUNDER-ACHARYA. Srila Prabhupada did NOT say he was only ISKCON
founder. There is HYPHEN in between the words Founder AND Acharya which
indicates HE IS ALSO ITS CURRENT ACHARYA.
3) There is ALSO the FACT that ONLY INITIATED DISCIPLE will be Director.
This means HE wanted to REMAIN the INITIATOR for the EXISTENCE of the society: Other WILL Srila Prabhupada’s Will.
The executive directors who have herein been designated are appointed
for life. In the event of death or failure to act for any reason of any
of the said directors, a successor director or directors may be
appointed by the remaining directors, provided the new director is MY
INITIATED DISCIPLE following strictly all the rules and regulations of
the International Society for Krishna Consciousness as detailed in my
books, and provided that there are never less than three (3) or more
than five (5) executive directors acting at one time.
4) Letter: Madhudvisa, August 4, 1975
The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I AM IN THE INITIATOR GURU,
and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching
and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually
come to this platform. This I want.
Conversations, March 12, 1968, San Francisco
Prabhupada: Yes, I AM the spiritual master of this institution, and ALL the members of the society, they’re supposed to be MY disciples.
They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, and
they are initiated by me spiritually. So therefore the spiritual master
is called guru. That is Sanskrit language.
5) Disciple belongs to whoever gives DISCIPLINE TO him: In ISKCON we
are ALL being DISCIPLINED by Srila Prabhupada (we receive instructions
(DISCIPLINE) FROM Srila Prabhupada’s books. Even the most basic
discipline, 16 rounds of Hare Krishna Mantra and four Regulative
Principles are coming FROM Srila Prabhupada. Common sense — if you ARE
being disciplined BY Srila Prabhupada then it follows you ARE Srila
Prabhupada’s disciple. How can it be otherwise?
The MEANING of the word “disciple”
Srila Prabhupada’s Morning Walk, March 8, 1976 in Mayapur:
Prabhupada: “Discipline… Disciple means discipline.
The word discipline comes from disciple, or disciple comes from
discipline. So unless there is discipline, there is no question of
disciple. This discipline must… That should be uniform. Otherwise,
sisya… sisya, the word sisya, it comes from the root, verb, sas-dhatu.
sas means ruling. From this word, sasana. Sasana means government.
sashtra means weapon, and sastra, scripture, and sisya… These things
have come from the one root sas-dhatu. So sas-dhatu means ruling under
discipline. There is another English word, that “Obedience is the first
law of discipline,” or something. They say, “Obedience is the first law
of discipline”? So I am right? “Obedience is…”? That is the…
Tamala Krishna: Yes, that’s more or less what it is.
Prabhupada: No, what is the word, exact. There is an
English word. “Obedience is the first law of discipline.” So unless
there is obedience, there cannot be any discipline. And unless there is
discipline, there is no question of disciple. DISCIPLE MEANS ONE WHO
FOLLOWS DISCIPLINE.”
Discipline comes from Srila Prabhupada. We are actually being
disciplined by Srila Prabhupada. It is Srila Prabhupada who has given us
the regulative principles of no meat, fish or eggs; no intoxication
(including tea and coffee), no illicit sex, and no gambling. It is Srila
Prabhupada who has made it a regulative principle for us to chant
sixteen rounds on the beads HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA
HARE HARE /HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE.
Srila Prabhupada’s books contain all the instructions, the guidance
required for us to get ourselves out of the clutches of the modes of
material nature. In fact, Srila Prabhupada is personally present as his
books.
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