Hare Krsna to all
Pranams
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
Recently a devotee commented to me that he thought why should we have to
worry ourselves over fruitive work or anything else for that matter since
, and he quoted Krsna where He says," I maintain what they have and provide what
they lack" ?? His conclusion being was that we really didn't have
to concern ourselves with
anything else but following the 4 reg's, chant 16 rounds a day, worship the
Deity, and basically try to think as much as possible of Krsna throughout the
day. I think this was his understanding of our "basic
spiritual obligations".
This behavior is very good, but this is not the end of it,
and this article will attempt to show why. If I am wrong, then I hope some
devotees will correct this misunderstanding for me.
So the main point is this- If we want to go back to Godhead then we
must be 100% pure and on the transcendental platform. If we are
actually on the transcendental platform, this means every
action we perform is for the satisfaction of Srila Prabhupada and Lord
Krsna, and then this work is A-karma, or without reaction.
Now consider just this one conversation with Srila Prabhupada
where he explains how any devotee who is NOT giving 50% of his income to the
Krsna Consciousness Movement , then all that work he does is unauthorized
work, or generating karma of some sort. Here it is...
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Devotee (1): No, I know, but for his actions other than just following
the four regulative principles and chanting sixteen rounds. He does so
many other things during the day. Where does he derive his authority
if he's not, let's say, living in the temple?
Prabhupada: I do not follow. The authority is guru. You have accepted.
Bali Mardana: For everything.
Jayatirtha: Say I have some outside job, I'm living outside, but I'm
not giving 50% of my income. So then that work that I'm doing, is it
actually under the authority of the guru?Prabhupada: Then you are not following the instruction of guru. That
is plain fact.Jayatirtha: So that means that whole activity during the day, working,
that means I am not following the instruction of the guru. It's
unauthorized activity.Prabhupada: Yes. If you don't follow the instruction of guru, then you
are fallen down immediately. That is the way. Otherwise why you sing,
yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasado. It is my duty to satisfy guru.
Otherwise I am nowhere. So if you prefer to be nowhere, then you
disobey as you like. But if you want to be steady in your position,
then you have to follow strictly the instruction of guru.
Devotee (1): No, I know, but for his actions other than just following
the four regulative principles and chanting sixteen rounds. He does so
many other things during the day. Where does he derive his authority
if he's not, let's say, living in the temple?
Prabhupada: I do not follow. The authority is guru. You have accepted.
Bali Mardana: For everything.
Jayatirtha: Say I have some outside job, I'm living outside, but I'm
not giving 50% of my income. So then that work that I'm doing, is it
actually under the authority of the guru?Prabhupada: Then you are not following the instruction of guru. That
is plain fact.Jayatirtha: So that means that whole activity during the day, working,
that means I am not following the instruction of the guru. It's
unauthorized activity.Prabhupada: Yes. If you don't follow the instruction of guru, then you
are fallen down immediately. That is the way. Otherwise why you sing,
yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasado. It is my duty to satisfy guru.
Otherwise I am nowhere. So if you prefer to be nowhere, then you
disobey as you like. But if you want to be steady in your position,
then you have to follow strictly the instruction of guru.
Devotee (1): We can understand all of your instructions simply
by
reading your books.
Prabhupada: Yes. Anyway, follow the instruction. That is required.
Jayatirtha: So the purpose of having the Society is to show the
devotees how they can always be twenty-four hours engaged according to
your instruction.Prabhupada: Yes, that is helping one another. If I am deficient, by
seeing your example I shall correct myself. This is the idea, not that
a fool's paradise: all fools and join together. Not like that.
reading your books.
Prabhupada: Yes. Anyway, follow the instruction. That is required.
Jayatirtha: So the purpose of having the Society is to show the
devotees how they can always be twenty-four hours engaged according to
your instruction.Prabhupada: Yes, that is helping one another. If I am deficient, by
seeing your example I shall correct myself. This is the idea, not that
a fool's paradise: all fools and join together. Not like that.
So from this above example, we can easily see that according to Srila
Prabhupada
that we must donate at least 50% of our income to some Krsna
Conscious activity.
Now that may be well and good for some devotees , like the ones living in
the Bangalore
temple, who live there, and do some sort of service all day long, give all
the money they collect to the temple, and the temple provides for them, but
what about the rest of us who live in this rotten material world and have
to "work" for our bread??
I am not crying over spilt milk because of what happened to iskcon, but am
only asking the question to all, that how do WE live in this world--
transcendentally?
It is practically impossible for me and I would suspect most if not
all others, to give 50% of their income up.
OK some might say, well I have several Deities of Krsna here in our
home/ashram and "everything "
we do here is for Their pleasure.
Being a grhastha, I know this is just not the case. We may say we are
doing everything for Krsna, but how many of us engages a "lot of time" in Krsna
Seva and maybe a "little time" here and there in some sense gratification
which has nothing at all do with the Service of our Deities or Srila
Prabhupada?
So if that is true, then what is the result of those activities? Are they
not karma producing?
One time Sruti Kirti told a story when Prabhupada was in the LA
Temple.
Prabhupada had his japa beads on his hand, then took the bead bag
and tossed it on his table and said: "there my 16 rounds are finished,
now I can do any damn thing I want."
First of all in BG, Krsna says-
Bg 7.28 T Persons who have acted piously in previous
lives and in this life,
whose sinful actions are completely eradicated and who are freed from
the duality of delusion, engage themselves in My service with
determination.
whose sinful actions are completely eradicated and who are freed from
the duality of delusion, engage themselves in My service with
determination.
PURPORT
Those eligible for elevation to the transcendental position
are
mentioned in this verse. For those who are sinful, atheistic, foolish
and deceitful, it is very difficult to transcend the duality of desire
and hate. Only those who have passed their lives in practicing the
regulative principles of religion, who have acted piously and who have
conquered sinful reactions can accept devotional service and gradually
rise to the pure knowledge of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
Then, gradually, they can meditate in trance on the Supreme
Personality of Godhead. That is the process of being situated on the
spiritual platform.
mentioned in this verse. For those who are sinful, atheistic, foolish
and deceitful, it is very difficult to transcend the duality of desire
and hate. Only those who have passed their lives in practicing the
regulative principles of religion, who have acted piously and who have
conquered sinful reactions can accept devotional service and gradually
rise to the pure knowledge of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
Then, gradually, they can meditate in trance on the Supreme
Personality of Godhead. That is the process of being situated on the
spiritual platform.
The very next verse in BG states-
Bg 7.29 T Intelligent
persons who are endeavoring for liberation from old age
and death take refuge in Me in devotional service. They are actually
Brahman because they entirely know everything about transcendental and
fruitive activities.
and death take refuge in Me in devotional service. They are actually
Brahman because they entirely know everything about transcendental and
fruitive activities.
The above purport states that one has to conquer over both sinful
actions and sinful re-actions to become
determined in KC.. This is two different things entirely. The example has
been given many times about pulling the plug of a fan (which is symbolically the
generation of future karma), and once this plug has
been pulled by our present actions, that means that no future karma is
being generated. This
doesn't mean that we will not experience some residue from past karmic
actions. This is what
is meant by conquering sinful re-actions in this purport. Everyone's
fate or destiny in this present body is fixed , according to sastra, which
means some reactions will be coming to us in the future while still in
this body. And being Krsna Conscious means, if we are actually Krsna
Conscious, we will be transcendentally situated from them and not be that much,
if at all, affected by them.
Another point is that Prabhupada says we have to "gradually rise to the
pure knowledge" of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Bhaktivinode Thakur
defines pure knowledge as comprising 5 elements,and one of them is knowledge of
karma or fruitive activities. This means that before we can actually come to the
pure spiritual platform we need to know Krsna tattva, Jiva tattva, Karma
tattva, and more.
Earlier on in BG, Krsna states that even the most intelligent persons are
bewildered
in understanding what is action(karma) and in- action (non reactive
work).
Bg 4.16 T Even the intelligent are
bewildered in determining what is action
and what is inaction. Now I shall explain to you what action is
knowing which you shall be liberated from all sins.
and what is inaction. Now I shall explain to you what action is
knowing which you shall be liberated from all sins.
Bg 2.49 T O Dhananjaya, rid yourself of all
fruitive activities by devotional
service, and surrender fully to that consciousness. Those who want to
enjoy the fruits of their work are misers.
service, and surrender fully to that consciousness. Those who want to
enjoy the fruits of their work are misers.
Bg 4.17 T The intricacies of action are
very hard to understand. Therefore
one should know properly what action is, what forbidden action is, and
what inaction is.
one should know properly what action is, what forbidden action is, and
what inaction is.
PURPORT
If one is serious about liberation from material bondage,
one has
to understand the distinctions between action, inaction and
unauthorized actions. One has to apply oneself to such an analysis of
action, reaction and perverted actions because it is a very difficult
subject matter. To understand Krsna consciousness and action according
to the modes, one has to learn one's relationship with the Supreme;
i.e., one who has learned perfectly knows that every living entity is
the eternal servitor of the Lord and that consequently one has to act
in Krsna consciousness. The entire Bhagavad-gita is directed toward
this conclusion. Any other conclusions, against this consciousness and
its attendant reactions, are vikarmas, or prohibited actions. To
understand all this one has to associate with authorities in Krsna
consciousness and learn the secret from them; this is as good as
learning from the Lord directly. Otherwise, even the most intelligent
to understand the distinctions between action, inaction and
unauthorized actions. One has to apply oneself to such an analysis of
action, reaction and perverted actions because it is a very difficult
subject matter. To understand Krsna consciousness and action according
to the modes, one has to learn one's relationship with the Supreme;
i.e., one who has learned perfectly knows that every living entity is
the eternal servitor of the Lord and that consequently one has to act
in Krsna consciousness. The entire Bhagavad-gita is directed toward
this conclusion. Any other conclusions, against this consciousness and
its attendant reactions, are vikarmas, or prohibited actions. To
understand all this one has to associate with authorities in Krsna
consciousness and learn the secret from them; this is as good as
learning from the Lord directly. Otherwise, even the most intelligent
person will be bewildered.
Bg 4.14 P Anyone who is fully
conversantwith all the intricacies of this law of karma, or fruitive
activities,
does not become affected by the results of his activities.
does not become affected by the results of his activities.
Bg 4.18 P A person
acting in Krsna consciousness is naturally free from the
bonds of karma. His activities are all performed for Krsna; therefore
he does not enjoy or suffer any of the effects of work. .... Because
everything is done for Krsna, he enjoys only transcendental happiness
in the discharge of this service. Those who are engaged in this
process are known to be without desire for personal sense
gratification.
bonds of karma. His activities are all performed for Krsna; therefore
he does not enjoy or suffer any of the effects of work. .... Because
everything is done for Krsna, he enjoys only transcendental happiness
in the discharge of this service. Those who are engaged in this
process are known to be without desire for personal sense
gratification.
Bg 4.20 T Abandoning all attachment to the results of
his activities, ever
satisfied and independent, he performs no fruitive action, although
engaged in all kinds of undertakings.
satisfied and independent, he performs no fruitive action, although
engaged in all kinds of undertakings.
PURPORT
This freedom from the bondage of actions is possible
only in Krsna
consciousness when one is doing everything for Krsna.
consciousness when one is doing everything for Krsna.
Bg 4.33 P The purpose of all sacrifices is to
arrive at the status of
complete knowledge, then to gain release from material miseries, and,
ultimately, to engage in loving transcendental service to the Supreme
Lord (Krsna consciousness). Nonetheless, there is a mystery about all
these different activities of sacrifice, and one should know this
mystery. Sacrifices sometimes take different forms according to the
particular faith of the performer. When one's faith reaches the stage
of transcendental knowledge, the performer of sacrifices should be
considered more advanced than those who simply sacrifice material
possessions without such knowledge, for without attainment of
knowledge, sacrifices remain on the material platform and bestow no
spiritual benefit. Real knowledge culminates in Krsna consciousness,
the highest stage of transcendental knowledge. Without the elevation
of knowledge, sacrifices are simply material activities. When,
however, they are elevated to the level of transcendental knowledge,
all such activities enter onto the spiritual platform. Depending on
differences in consciousness, sacrificial activities are sometimes
called karma-kanda, fruitive activities, and sometimes jnana-kanda,
knowledge in the pursuit of truth. It is better when the end is
knowledge.
complete knowledge, then to gain release from material miseries, and,
ultimately, to engage in loving transcendental service to the Supreme
Lord (Krsna consciousness). Nonetheless, there is a mystery about all
these different activities of sacrifice, and one should know this
mystery. Sacrifices sometimes take different forms according to the
particular faith of the performer. When one's faith reaches the stage
of transcendental knowledge, the performer of sacrifices should be
considered more advanced than those who simply sacrifice material
possessions without such knowledge, for without attainment of
knowledge, sacrifices remain on the material platform and bestow no
spiritual benefit. Real knowledge culminates in Krsna consciousness,
the highest stage of transcendental knowledge. Without the elevation
of knowledge, sacrifices are simply material activities. When,
however, they are elevated to the level of transcendental knowledge,
all such activities enter onto the spiritual platform. Depending on
differences in consciousness, sacrificial activities are sometimes
called karma-kanda, fruitive activities, and sometimes jnana-kanda,
knowledge in the pursuit of truth. It is better when the end is
knowledge.
Bg 5.2 P One is considered to be a failure in life as
long as he makes no inquiry about his real
identity. As long as he does not know his real identity, he has to
work for fruitive results for sense gratification, and as long as one
is engrossed in the consciousness of sense gratification one has to
transmigrate from one body to another. Although the mind may be
engrossed in fruitive activities and influenced by ignorance, one must
develop a love for devotional service to Vasudeva. Only then can one
have the opportunity to get out of the bondage of material existence."
Therefore, jnana (or knowledge that one is not this material body
but spirit soul) is not sufficient for liberation. One has to act in
the status of spirit soul, otherwise there is no escape from material
bondage.
identity. As long as he does not know his real identity, he has to
work for fruitive results for sense gratification, and as long as one
is engrossed in the consciousness of sense gratification one has to
transmigrate from one body to another. Although the mind may be
engrossed in fruitive activities and influenced by ignorance, one must
develop a love for devotional service to Vasudeva. Only then can one
have the opportunity to get out of the bondage of material existence."
Therefore, jnana (or knowledge that one is not this material body
but spirit soul) is not sufficient for liberation. One has to act in
the status of spirit soul, otherwise there is no escape from material
bondage.
Bg 5.26 P In the conditioned soul the desire to enjoy the
fruitive results of
work is so deep-rooted that it is very difficult even for the great
sages to control such desires, despite great endeavors. A devotee of
the Lord, constantly engaged in devotional service in Krsna
consciousness, perfect in self-realization, very quickly attains
liberation in the Supreme. Owing to his complete knowledge in
self-realization, he always remains in trance.
work is so deep-rooted that it is very difficult even for the great
sages to control such desires, despite great endeavors. A devotee of
the Lord, constantly engaged in devotional service in Krsna
consciousness, perfect in self-realization, very quickly attains
liberation in the Supreme. Owing to his complete knowledge in
self-realization, he always remains in trance.
So these verses test our Krsna Consciousness and actual level of
understanding.
Prabhupada has several times said that when one joins this movement and
gets initiated
he is just like a beginning student who has entered the university. A
freshman is hardly the
same as a graduating senior who has passed all his tests. So when one can
follow the
basic pre requisites such as 16 rounds a day and the 4 reg's, that mean he
has come to
at least the human platform, and not necessarily the transcendental
platform, as some mistakenly are thinking. For example a fully qualified
brahmana (kanistha adhikari) is still on the material platform
So my point is this-If we are actually on the transcendental
platform, which means every action we perform is for the satisfaction of
Srila Prabhupada and Lord Krsna, then this work is A-karma, or without
reaction.
Consider this conversation:
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Prabhupada: Karma-yogi means one who does everything for Krsna. He's
karma-yogi.Guest (1): One who does everything for...?
Prabhupada: For Krsna.
Guest (1): For Krsna.
Prabhupada: Just like you are doing, doing some work. For whom you are
doing?Guest (1): For my own benefit.
Prabhupada: That's all. So that is karma. But when you do the same
thing for Krsna, that is karma-yoga.
Prabhupada: Karma-yogi means one who does everything for Krsna. He's
karma-yogi.Guest (1): One who does everything for...?
Prabhupada: For Krsna.
Guest (1): For Krsna.
Prabhupada: Just like you are doing, doing some work. For whom you are
doing?Guest (1): For my own benefit.
Prabhupada: That's all. So that is karma. But when you do the same
thing for Krsna, that is karma-yoga.
Prabhupada: That's all. (break) ...done not meant for Krsna, that is
for his own satisfaction. Just like Arjuna wanted to become
nonviolent: "No, no, Krsna. I cannot kill my kinsmen." That is a good
proposal. But that was his satisfaction.Guest (1): That is very correct.
Prabhupada: Yes. That was his satisfaction. But Krsna wanted that "You
must fight." And when he agreed to that, that is his perfection.Before that, he was trying to satisfy he.
... Whatever you do, that is your satisfaction. That is karma.
Guest (1): But not yogi.
Prabhupada: No, karma. (break) ...for your own sense satisfaction,
that is karma. And if you do it for Krsna's satisfaction, that is
karma-yoga.
for his own satisfaction. Just like Arjuna wanted to become
nonviolent: "No, no, Krsna. I cannot kill my kinsmen." That is a good
proposal. But that was his satisfaction.Guest (1): That is very correct.
Prabhupada: Yes. That was his satisfaction. But Krsna wanted that "You
must fight." And when he agreed to that, that is his perfection.Before that, he was trying to satisfy he.
... Whatever you do, that is your satisfaction. That is karma.
Guest (1): But not yogi.
Prabhupada: No, karma. (break) ...for your own sense satisfaction,
that is karma. And if you do it for Krsna's satisfaction, that is
karma-yoga.
Makhanlal: Pure bhakti and karma-yoga considered to be exactly
the
same?
Prabhupada: Exactly the same.
Prabhupada: Pure bhakti is above karma-yoga. Pure bhakti is above
karma-yoga.Bhagavata: That is the difference between the Chapter Karma-yoga and
Karma-yoga in Krsna Consciousness.
Prabhupada: Yes. Pure, pure devotion means Sravanam kirtanam.Makhanlal: ...you're performing, is the vaidhi-bhakti stage of...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Makhanlal: ...of the sadhana-bhakti, the regulative principles.
Prabhupada: Yes, vaidhi-bhakti means regulative principles, and when
you are accustomed, automatically you perform, that is raga-bhakti.
Makhanlal: So vaidhi-bhakti is considered superior to karma-yoga then.
Prabhupada: No. Karma-yoga is better.
Makhanlal: Karma-yoga is better?
Prabhupada: Yes.
same?
Prabhupada: Exactly the same.
Prabhupada: Pure bhakti is above karma-yoga. Pure bhakti is above
karma-yoga.Bhagavata: That is the difference between the Chapter Karma-yoga and
Karma-yoga in Krsna Consciousness.
Prabhupada: Yes. Pure, pure devotion means Sravanam kirtanam.Makhanlal: ...you're performing, is the vaidhi-bhakti stage of...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Makhanlal: ...of the sadhana-bhakti, the regulative principles.
Prabhupada: Yes, vaidhi-bhakti means regulative principles, and when
you are accustomed, automatically you perform, that is raga-bhakti.
Makhanlal: So vaidhi-bhakti is considered superior to karma-yoga then.
Prabhupada: No. Karma-yoga is better.
Makhanlal: Karma-yoga is better?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Indian man: Pure bhakti is superior.
Prabhupada: Pure bhakti is sravanam kirtanam. Sravanam kirtanam
visnu-smaranam pada-sevanam, that is pure bhakti. (break)
Yasomatinandana: ...formed by anybody.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Yasomatinandana: Karma-yoga.
Prabhupada: Unless one is inclined to take to devotion, it is not
possible to take to karma-yoga. Who can sacrifice the profit?
Yasomatinandana: Does karma-yoga mean to follow exactly the sastras?
Prabhupada: Karma-yoga means yat karosi yaj juhosi kurusva tat
mad-arpanam.Yasomatinandana: Doing only for Krsna.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is karma-yoga.Devotee: Which means?
Prabhupada: "Whatever you do, the result give Me."Devotee: To Krsna.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Yasomatinandana: So we are also, those who are on the vaidhi-bhakti
(indistinct) on karma-yoga path because we are...
Prabhupada: Yes. They are acting under the order of the spiritual
Prabhupada: Pure bhakti is sravanam kirtanam. Sravanam kirtanam
visnu-smaranam pada-sevanam, that is pure bhakti. (break)
Yasomatinandana: ...formed by anybody.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Yasomatinandana: Karma-yoga.
Prabhupada: Unless one is inclined to take to devotion, it is not
possible to take to karma-yoga. Who can sacrifice the profit?
Yasomatinandana: Does karma-yoga mean to follow exactly the sastras?
Prabhupada: Karma-yoga means yat karosi yaj juhosi kurusva tat
mad-arpanam.Yasomatinandana: Doing only for Krsna.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is karma-yoga.Devotee: Which means?
Prabhupada: "Whatever you do, the result give Me."Devotee: To Krsna.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Yasomatinandana: So we are also, those who are on the vaidhi-bhakti
(indistinct) on karma-yoga path because we are...
Prabhupada: Yes. They are acting under the order of the spiritual
master. That is bhakti-yoga.
Bhagavata: So when one follows the nine activities of devotion purely,
that is pure bhakti.
Prabhupada: Yes.Bhagavata: Then when he's following those nine activities, then he's
superior.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Bhagavata: Then that's superior to karma-yoga, to follow those nine
principles purely.Prabhupada: Yes.Makhanlal: Raganuga-bhakti is also superior to karma-yoga then?
Prabhupada: Bhakti is perfect stage. That is not for ordinary man.
Yasomatinandana: What is the difference between karma-yoga and... or
bhakti because they also (indistinct) Krsna?
Prabhupada: Now go on doing your duty, you'll understand (indistinct).
Don't try to understand in one day.Bhagavata: It will be revealed to us as we act.
Prabhupada: Yes, the more you become in service attitude, things will
be revealed to you. (Sanskrit) prakasante. Becomes, it becomes
manifest. Sevonmukhe hi jihvadau sam eva sphuraty adhah. (break)
Bhagavata: So when one follows the nine activities of devotion purely,
that is pure bhakti.
Prabhupada: Yes.Bhagavata: Then when he's following those nine activities, then he's
superior.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Bhagavata: Then that's superior to karma-yoga, to follow those nine
principles purely.Prabhupada: Yes.Makhanlal: Raganuga-bhakti is also superior to karma-yoga then?
Prabhupada: Bhakti is perfect stage. That is not for ordinary man.
Yasomatinandana: What is the difference between karma-yoga and... or
bhakti because they also (indistinct) Krsna?
Prabhupada: Now go on doing your duty, you'll understand (indistinct).
Don't try to understand in one day.Bhagavata: It will be revealed to us as we act.
Prabhupada: Yes, the more you become in service attitude, things will
be revealed to you. (Sanskrit) prakasante. Becomes, it becomes
manifest. Sevonmukhe hi jihvadau sam eva sphuraty adhah. (break)
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Again...
One time Sruti Kirti told a story when Prabhupada was in the LA
Temple.
Prabhupada had his japa beads on his hand, then took the bead bag
and tossed it on his table and said: "there my 16 rounds are finished
and I can do any damn thing I want now."
To me this is a very instructive story because it goes nicely along
with the
theme in the above article. If we think just because we may chant 16
rounds
a day, follow the 4 reg's and get up for montol arotik, we should not
think
our "business" is now finished. These things are included in vaidhi bhakti,
or the regulative
principles of sadhana bhakti. And Srila Prabhupada mentioned above that
karma yoga
was superior to vaidhi bhakti"
Makhanlal: So vaidhi-bhakti is considered superior to karma-yoga
then.
Prabhupada: No. Karma-yoga is better.
Makhanlal: Karma-yoga is better?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: No. Karma-yoga is better.
Makhanlal: Karma-yoga is better?
Prabhupada: Yes.
In this part of the conversation Srila Prabhupada is telling us that
just
following rules and regulations is good, but actual Karma yoga, where
one does everything for Krsna's satisfaction is superior to
Vaidhi.
And superior to Karma yoga is pure bhakti yoga which is sravanam,
kirtanam Vishnu...
or the 9 processes of bhakti.
Somehwere else Prabhupada once said that "anything but the 9
processes
of bhakti is unauthorized mental activity." To me this means
that
the 9 processes of bhakti represent the total 100% pure activity of the
soul,
and anything but that is unauthorized activity-or Karma !!
Ok here is another one to consider-
Bg 18.66 P Conclusion--The Perfection of
Renunciation
Now, in summarizing Bhagavad-gita, the Lord says that Arjuna should give up
all the processes that have been explained to him; he should simply
surrender to Krsna. That surrender will save him from all kinds of
sinful reactions, for the Lord personally promises to protect him.
In the ▼Seventh Chapter it was said that only one who has become
free from all sinful reactions can take to the worship of Lord Krsna.
Thus one may think that unless he is free from all sinful reactions he
cannot take to the surrendering process. To such doubts it is here
said that even if one is not free from all sinful reactions, simply by
the process of surrendering to Sri Krsna he is automatically freed.There is no need of strenuous effort to free oneself from sinful
reactions. One should unhesitatingly accept Krsna as the supreme
savior of all living entities. With faith and love, one should
surrender unto Him.
Now, in summarizing Bhagavad-gita, the Lord says that Arjuna should give up
all the processes that have been explained to him; he should simply
surrender to Krsna. That surrender will save him from all kinds of
sinful reactions, for the Lord personally promises to protect him.
In the ▼Seventh Chapter it was said that only one who has become
free from all sinful reactions can take to the worship of Lord Krsna.
Thus one may think that unless he is free from all sinful reactions he
cannot take to the surrendering process. To such doubts it is here
said that even if one is not free from all sinful reactions, simply by
the process of surrendering to Sri Krsna he is automatically freed.There is no need of strenuous effort to free oneself from sinful
reactions. One should unhesitatingly accept Krsna as the supreme
savior of all living entities. With faith and love, one should
surrender unto Him.
So in the above purport Srila Prabhupada summarizes the entire Bg nicely.
One doesn't
have to worry about anything, sins, sinful reactions, nothing, one
only
has to surrender to the Lord.
So HOW does one actually, and exactly surrender to
Krsna?
Good question and here is the answer.
Bg 15.5 T One who is free from illusion, false
prestige, and false
association, who understands the eternal, who is done with material
lust and is freed from the duality of happiness and distress, and who
knows how to surrender unto the Supreme Person, attains to that
eternal kingdom.
association, who understands the eternal, who is done with material
lust and is freed from the duality of happiness and distress, and who
knows how to surrender unto the Supreme Person, attains to that
eternal kingdom.
PURPORT
The surrendering process is described here very
nicely. The first
qualification is that one should not be deluded by pride. Because the
conditioned soul is puffed up, thinking himself the lord of material
nature, it is very difficult for him to surrender unto the Supreme
Personality of Godhead. One should know by the cultivation of real
knowledge that he is not lord of material nature; the Supreme
Personality of Godhead is the Lord. When one is free from delusion
caused by pride, he can begin the process of surrender. For one who is
always expecting some honor in this material world, it is not possible
to surrender to the Supreme Person. Pride is due to illusion, for
although one comes here, stays for a brief time and then goes away, he
has the foolish notion that he is the lord of the world. He thus makes
qualification is that one should not be deluded by pride. Because the
conditioned soul is puffed up, thinking himself the lord of material
nature, it is very difficult for him to surrender unto the Supreme
Personality of Godhead. One should know by the cultivation of real
knowledge that he is not lord of material nature; the Supreme
Personality of Godhead is the Lord. When one is free from delusion
caused by pride, he can begin the process of surrender. For one who is
always expecting some honor in this material world, it is not possible
to surrender to the Supreme Person. Pride is due to illusion, for
although one comes here, stays for a brief time and then goes away, he
has the foolish notion that he is the lord of the world. He thus makes
all things complicated, and he is always in trouble. The whole
world
moves under this impression. People are considering that the land,
this earth, belongs to human society, and they have divided the land
under the false impression that they are the proprietors. One has to
get out of this false notion that human society is the proprietor of
this world. When one is freed from such a false notion, he becomes
free from all the false associations caused by familial, social and
national affections. These faulty associations bind one to this
material world. After this stage, one has to develop spiritual
knowledge. One has to cultivate knowledge of what is actually his own
and what is actually not his own. And, when one has an understanding
of things as they are, he becomes free from all dual conceptions such
as happiness and distress, pleasure and pain. He becomes full in
knowledge; then it is possible for him to surrender to the Supreme
Personality of Godhead.
moves under this impression. People are considering that the land,
this earth, belongs to human society, and they have divided the land
under the false impression that they are the proprietors. One has to
get out of this false notion that human society is the proprietor of
this world. When one is freed from such a false notion, he becomes
free from all the false associations caused by familial, social and
national affections. These faulty associations bind one to this
material world. After this stage, one has to develop spiritual
knowledge. One has to cultivate knowledge of what is actually his own
and what is actually not his own. And, when one has an understanding
of things as they are, he becomes free from all dual conceptions such
as happiness and distress, pleasure and pain. He becomes full in
knowledge; then it is possible for him to surrender to the Supreme
Personality of Godhead.
I just read this in SB class this very morning:
760510SB.HON
Lectures
The injunction is that tad viddhi, if you want to understand
transcendental subject matter, not material, spiritual... Spiritual is
completely unknown to us because we do not know what is spiritual. We
are identifying with this body. You do not know even that "I am spirit
soul." So where is the possibility of spiritual understanding? One
cannot see himself, what he is. He is thinking, "I am this body,"exactly like the dog. The dog is thinking, "I am dog." So if I think,
"I am American," "I am Indian," where is the difference? There is no
difference. Yasyatma-buddhih kunape tri-dhatuke. If one thinks that "I
am this body," then he's no better than sa eva go-kharah. The animals,
they also think like that, "I am this body."
The injunction is that tad viddhi, if you want to understand
transcendental subject matter, not material, spiritual... Spiritual is
completely unknown to us because we do not know what is spiritual. We
are identifying with this body. You do not know even that "I am spirit
soul." So where is the possibility of spiritual understanding? One
cannot see himself, what he is. He is thinking, "I am this body,"exactly like the dog. The dog is thinking, "I am dog." So if I think,
"I am American," "I am Indian," where is the difference? There is no
difference. Yasyatma-buddhih kunape tri-dhatuke. If one thinks that "I
am this body," then he's no better than sa eva go-kharah. The animals,
they also think like that, "I am this body."
Tad viddhi. First of all you try to
learn. Tad viddhi. How to learn? Where to learn? Pranipatena, fully
surrendered. If you find somebody that he is somebody important where
you can surrender fully, from him... Tad viddhi pranipata... This is.
Our process of Vedic knowledge is how to surrender, not that I hear
and I reject it. That is not the way. That is another rascaldom. First
of all find out the person where you can surrender. Surrender means you first of all be convinced that "Here is a
person who can give me actual knowledge." Therefore before selecting
guru one has to convince himself that "The person whom I am going to
accept as guru, whether he actually can give me the knowledge?" That
is wanted. Therefore before making guru, the system is, for one year
the prospective disciple should hear from the person and then decide.
And similarly, the guru also see a person who is actually submissive
or not. That is Vaisnava injunction, Hari-bhakti-vilasa, not that to
make a guru as a fashion. No. Not do. Don't keep a guru,
order-supplying guru. No. Just like if somebody keeps a dog and the
master orders him, "Do this," and he does, fashion. No. It is not
fashion. You must approach guru who..., where you can surrender.
Otherwise don't make guru. And the guru also should not accept such
learn. Tad viddhi. How to learn? Where to learn? Pranipatena, fully
surrendered. If you find somebody that he is somebody important where
you can surrender fully, from him... Tad viddhi pranipata... This is.
Our process of Vedic knowledge is how to surrender, not that I hear
and I reject it. That is not the way. That is another rascaldom. First
of all find out the person where you can surrender. Surrender means you first of all be convinced that "Here is a
person who can give me actual knowledge." Therefore before selecting
guru one has to convince himself that "The person whom I am going to
accept as guru, whether he actually can give me the knowledge?" That
is wanted. Therefore before making guru, the system is, for one year
the prospective disciple should hear from the person and then decide.
And similarly, the guru also see a person who is actually submissive
or not. That is Vaisnava injunction, Hari-bhakti-vilasa, not that to
make a guru as a fashion. No. Not do. Don't keep a guru,
order-supplying guru. No. Just like if somebody keeps a dog and the
master orders him, "Do this," and he does, fashion. No. It is not
fashion. You must approach guru who..., where you can surrender.
Otherwise don't make guru. And the guru also should not accept such
rascal as disciple. First of all the thing is surrender.
Tad viddhi
pranipatena. The first necessity is that you surrender. So here you
have seen, Pariksit Maharaja, although the emperor of the world, he is
taking lesson from Sukadeva Gosvami. Sukadeva Gosvami is seated on the
throne and he is seated on the ground, submissive. So does it mean
that "I shall become submissive, and whatever my guru will say, I will
have to accept?" No. Pariprasnena. Tad viddhi. Here is the pariprasna.
Sri-raja uvaca. Ask him. That is intelligent. Intelligently serve.
First of all we must... It is not that he is checking the guru, "How
my guru is learned?" No. The submission is there. But when the guru
says something, he may not understand. That concession is given,
pariprasna. You inquire.
pranipatena. The first necessity is that you surrender. So here you
have seen, Pariksit Maharaja, although the emperor of the world, he is
taking lesson from Sukadeva Gosvami. Sukadeva Gosvami is seated on the
throne and he is seated on the ground, submissive. So does it mean
that "I shall become submissive, and whatever my guru will say, I will
have to accept?" No. Pariprasnena. Tad viddhi. Here is the pariprasna.
Sri-raja uvaca. Ask him. That is intelligent. Intelligently serve.
First of all we must... It is not that he is checking the guru, "How
my guru is learned?" No. The submission is there. But when the guru
says something, he may not understand. That concession is given,
pariprasna. You inquire.
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741117SB.BOM
Lectures
This is self-realization. Self-realization means to see one's
proper
identity. At the present moment we are not finding out our proper
identity. We are seeing to the body. I see you, your body, and you see
me, my body. We have no vision of the real person, which is, who is
occupying this body. This is the first lesson we get from
Bhagavad-gita: dehino 'smin yatha dehe. Dehi... This body is called
deha, and the owner of the body is called dehi.
identity. At the present moment we are not finding out our proper
identity. We are seeing to the body. I see you, your body, and you see
me, my body. We have no vision of the real person, which is, who is
occupying this body. This is the first lesson we get from
Bhagavad-gita: dehino 'smin yatha dehe. Dehi... This body is called
deha, and the owner of the body is called dehi.
So when we can see that we are not this body, "I am not this
body,"
that is beginning of self-realization. That is called brahma-bhuta
stage. Aham brahmasmi: "I am not this material body." Aham brahmasmi.
This is self-realization.
that is beginning of self-realization. That is called brahma-bhuta
stage. Aham brahmasmi: "I am not this material body." Aham brahmasmi.
This is self-realization.
Conclusions:
We began with what that one devotee thought was surrender-just follow
the 4 reg's, chant 16 rounds a day, and worship your Deity getting up
for mongol arotik.etc.. This is all very good, but when one studies these
books
in a little more detail, one will find that at the end of it all,
after the slokas
are read and somewhat understood, then 100% total surrender to the
Lord is the final nail in the
coffin of karma . And how to surrender, well Prabhupada gives
that explanation in the
above purport to BG 15.5.
Personally I dont know about anybody else, but I consider myself a long
long way from
total surrender to Prabhupada and Krsna. The only alternative I see is to
continue
chanting dancing and feasting, and hope against hope for the causeless
mercy of the Supreme
Lord Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu.!!
One last verse that I just read at breakfast time this morning:
Mundaka Upanishad 3.2.3
"The Supreme Lord is not obtained by means of expert explanations,
vast intelligence or even much learning. He is obtained only by one whom He
Himself chooses. To such a person, He manifests His own form.
Hare Krsna
Damaghosa
das
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