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Prabhupadanugas Acquire 80 Acres For New Temple

Prabhupadanugas Acquire 80 Acres For New Temple

Dear All,

It gives us a great pleasure to announce that a beautiful hillside property of 80 acres in the heart of Silicon Valley of California, USA, has been acquired for the future residence of Sri Sri Krishna Balaram, Sri Gaura Nitai, Sri Srinivasa Govinda, Sri Prahlada Narasimha and Srila Prabhupada.

The 80 acre hillside property is situated in the city of Milpitas and is at a comfortable and convenient distance from various corners of the bay area. The property located at 2425 Old Calaveras Road, Milpitas, CA is less than a mile from Milpitas city edge, 6 miles from Fremont and 15 miles from Cupertino. Though minutes away, the property oversees a major portion of the bay area and will provide breath taking views for the visiting devotees! The view is equivalent to being on top of  a 40 to 50 story building. The property is surrounded by golf courses, scenic hills and is half a mile from Sandy Wool Lake and Ed Levin County Park.

Plans are in progress for a beautiful temple, a cultural complex, residences for devotees and a huge goshala. This will be a pride possession for Srila Prabhupada and his movement in the west. We seek all the devotees' prayers and good wishes to help us accomplish our plans.

We will keep you all updated about our progress on a regular basis.

Thanks one and all.

Yours in the service of Sri Krishna Balaram and Srila Prabhupada,
Vikram Krishna Das
President, Krishna Balaram Mandir - India Heritage Foundation, USA

Sri Krishna Balaram Mandir
India Heritage Foundation
1235 Reamwood Avenue
Sunnyvale California 94089
United States

www.kbmandir.org

FACTS SHOULD NOT BE MISREPRESENTED

FACTS SHOULD NOT BE MISREPRESENTED.

This is a reply to Dusyanta das whose article http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-13/editorials11136.htm

Dusyanta :“What they did not do was to publish the quotes from Srila Prabhupada's Cc Adi 1.58 and then prove that the Ritvik theory was still applicable, with substantial quotes from Srila Prabhupada”

Mahesh: Dusyanta das you are Soooooo IGNORANT that you just don't get it. THEN you accuse us Prabhupadanugas of calling names. The FACT is you are in TAMO GUNA. Just ACCEPT the TRUTH!!!

10.4-5 P The Opulence of the Absolute

SATYAM, TRUTHFULNESS, MEANS THAT FACTS SHOULD BE PRESENTED AS THEY ARE FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS. FACTS SHOULD NOT BE MISREPRESENTED. According to social conventions, it is said that one can speak the truth only when it is palatable to others. But that is not truthfulness. The truth should be spoken in a straight and forward way, so that others will understand actually what the facts are. If a man is a thief and if people are warned that he is a thief, that is truth. ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES THE TRUTH IS UNPALATABLE, ONE SHOULD NOT REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING IT. TRUTHFULNESS DEMANDS THAT THE FACTS BE PRESENTED AS THEY ARE FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF TRUTH.

Anyway, here is an answer QUOTING Adi 1.58 this is done in SPOON-FEED way just like feeding a small baby HOPING Duysanta will get it this time.

Adi 1.35 The Spiritual Masters

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SPIRITUAL MASTER'S INSTRUCTIONS AND THE SPIRITUAL MASTER HIMSELF. IN HIS ABSENCE, THEREFORE, HIS WORDS OF DIRECTION SHOULD BE THE PRIDE OF THE DISCIPLE.

Note: Srila Prabhupada is THE SPIRITUAL MASTER from WHOSE BOOKS and CDs WE ALL take OUR DISCIPLINE

Adi 1.35 The Spiritual Masters

GENERALLY A SPIRITUAL MASTER WHO CONSTANTLY INSTRUCTS A DISCIPLE IN SPIRITUAL SCIENCE BECOMES HIS INITIATING SPIRITUAL MASTER LATER ON.

Note: Srila Prabhupada is THAT LIBERTED DEVOTEE WHO APPEARS BEFORE US AS HIS BOOKS, Cds, TAPES means “The preceptor appears before the EXTERNAL SENSES of the fortunate conditioned soul” Books are PHYSICAL so YOU can VISUALISE Srila Prabhuapada as his BOOKS before the external senses THE EYES, and the EARS when you HEAR his Cds, Tapes, mp3's are ALL about application of EXTERNAL SENSES.

Adi 1.58 The Spiritual Masters

Since one cannot visually experience the presence of the Supersoul, He appears before us as A LIBERATED DEVOTEE. Such a spiritual master is none other than Krsna Himself.

PURPORT

It is not possible for a conditioned soul to directly meet Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but if one becomes a sincere devotee and seriously engages in devotional service, Lord Krsna sends an instructing spiritual master to show him favor and invoke his dormant propensity for serving the Supreme. The preceptor appears before the EXTERNAL SENSES of the fortunate conditioned soul, and at the same time the devotee is guided from within by the caittya-guru, Krsna, who is seated as the spiritual master within the heart of the living entity.

Note: Srila Prabhupada is THAT POWERFUL MAHA-BHAGAVATA WHO ALWAYS CARRIES THE SUPREME PERSONALITY IF GODHEAD IN HIS HEART:

SB 10.2.18 P Prayers by the Demigods for Lord Krsna in the Womb

As indicated here by the word manastah, the Supreme Personality of Godhead was transferred from the core of Vasudeva's mind or heart to the core of the heart of Devaki. WE SHOULD NOTE CAREFULLY THAT THE LORD WAS ***TRANSFERRED*** TO DEVAKI NOT BY THE ORDINARY WAY FOR A HUMAN BEING, BUT BY DIKSA, INITIATION. THUS THE IMPORTANCE OF INITIATION IS MENTIONED HERE. UNLESS ONE IS INITIATED BY THE RIGHT PERSON, WHO ALWAYS CARRIES WITHIN HIS HEART THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD, ONE CANNOT ACQUIRE THE POWER TO CARRY THE SUPREME GODHEAD WITHIN THE CORE OF ONE'S OWN HEART.

Note: in the Madhyama adhikari stage there is INITIATION ALSO:

Antya 4.192 T Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri

DIKSA-KALE bhakta kare atma-samarpana

sei-kale krsna tare kare atma-sama

Antya 4.192 Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri

"AT THE TIME OF INITIATION, when a devotee fully surrenders unto the service of the Lord, Krsna accepts him to be as good as Himself.

Antya 4.193 Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri

"When the devotee's body is thus transformed into spiritual existence, the devotee, in that transcendental body, renders service to the lotus feet of the Lord.

Antya 4.194 Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri

" 'The living entity who is subjected to birth and death, when he gives up all material activities dedicating his life to Me for executing My order, and thus acts according to My direction, AT THAT TIME HE REACHES THE PLATFORM OF IMMORTALITY, and becomes fit to enjoy the spiritual bliss of exchange of loving mellows with Me.'

Antya 4.194 Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri

PURPORT

Antya 4.194 Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri

This is a quotation from Srimad-Bhagavatam (11.29.34). At the time of INITIATION, a devotee gives up all his material conceptions. Therefore, being in touch with the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is situated on the transcendental platform. THUS HAVING ATTAINED KNOWLEDGE AND THE SPIRITUAL PLATFORM, HE ALWAYS ENGAGES IN THE SERVICE OF THE SPIRITUAL BODY OF KRSNA. WHEN ONE IS FREED FROM MATERIAL CONNECTIONS IN THIS WAY, HIS BODY IMMEDIATELY BECOMES SPIRITUAL, AND KRSNA ACCEPTS HIS SERVICE.

However, Krsna does not accept anything from a person with a material conception of life.

NoI 5

A MADHYAMA-ADHIKARI HAS RECEIVED SPIRITUAL INITIATION FROM THE SPIRITUAL MASTER AND HAS BEEN FULLY ENGAGED BY HIM IN THE TRANSCENDENTAL LOVING SERVICE OF THE LORD.

Note: Srila Prabhupada is THAT Maha-bhagavata WHO STILL gives INITIATION at MADHYAMA-ADHIKARI STAGE so there is ONLY ONE INITIATOR THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS and Ritvik Representative gives the HOLY NAME ON BEHALF of Srila Prabhupada the ACTUAL INITIATOR.

NoD 8 Offenses to Be Avoided

The offenses against the chanting of the holy name are as follows: (3) To disobey the orders of the spiritual master.

Madhya 24.330 The Sixty-One Explanations of the Atmarama Verse

MAHA-BHAGAVATA-srestho

brahmano vai gurur nrnam

sarvesam eva lokanam

asau pujyo yatha harih

maha-kula-prasuto 'pi

sarva-yajnesu DIKSITAH

sahasra-sakhadhyayi ca

na guruh syad avaisnavah

((The guru MUST be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be accepted from the topmost class. The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all kinds of people. ....When one has attained the topmost position of MAHA-BHAGAVATA, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.))

Note The word DIKSITAH refers to Diksa and ONLY Maha Bhagavata is the one mentioned WHO give this BY DEFINITION.

Note: the Initiation refered to HERE below is DIFFERENT from the Initiation given at the STAGE of MADHYAMA-ADHIKARI. The formality of 1st and 2nd initiation is given HERE by RITVIK REPRESENTATIVES on BEHALF OF Srila Prabhupada. Everyone KNEW they were CONDITIONED souls. CONDITIONED SOULS CAN NOT TRASFER KRSNA INTO YOUR HEART HENCE THE FORMALITY OF ONLY 1ST AND 2ND INITATIONS.

761016iv.cha Conversations

Interviewer: What is the procedure of the movement? Do you initiate yourself all the disciples or do your other disciples also do that?

Prabhupada: Well, initiation or no initiation, first thing is knowledge. (break) ...knowledge. INITIATION IS FORMALITY. JUST LIKE YOU GO TO A SCHOOL FOR KNOWLEDGE, AND ADMISSION IS FORMALITY. THAT IS NOT VERY IMPORTANT THING.

Srila Prabhupada is the ONE initiator Spiritual Master

KB 80 The Meeting of Lord Krsna with Sudama Brahmana

“If a man is sufficiently educated in student life under the guidance of a proper teacher, then his life becomes successful in the future. He can very easily cross over the ocean of nescience, and he is not subjected to the influence of illusory energy. My dear friend, everyone should consider his father to be his first teacher because by the mercy of one’s father one gets this body. The father is therefore the natural spiritual master. Our next spiritual master is he who initiates us into transcendental knowledge, and he is to be worshiped as much as I am. The spiritual master may be more than one. The spiritual master who instructs the disciples about spiritual matters is called siksa-guru, and the spiritual master who initiates the disciple is called diksa-guru. Both of them are My representatives. There may be many spiritual masters who instruct, BUT THE INITIATOR SPIRITUAL MASTER IS ONE.

Note: WHY these Dusyanta type of people can NOT grasp this VERY simple thing is because he is in TAMO GUNA:

740615rc.par Conversations

Yogesvara: "Is there some, any qualities, in the sense that some people have more receptivity towards the divine than other people?"

Prabhupada: Yes. That I explained, sattva-guna, rajo-guna, tamo-guna. Those who are in sattva-guna, they can understand easily. Those who are in rajo-guna, they have got difficulty. AND THOSE WHO ARE IN TAMO-GUNA, THEY CANNOT. (French)

You can ONLY be a Disciple of ONE who gives YOU the discipline and ALL the DISCIPLINE is coming FROM Srila Prabhupada

In ISKCON we are ALL being DISCIPLINED by Srila Prabhupada (we receive instructions (DISCIPLINE) FROM Srila Prabhupada's books. Even the most basic discipline, 16 rounds of Hare Krishna Mantra and four Regulative Principles are coming FROM Srila Prabhupada. Common sense -- if you ARE being disciplined BY Srila Prabhupada then it follows you ARE Srila Prabhupada’s disciple. How can it be otherwise?

The MEANING of the word "disciple"

Srila Prabhupada's Morning Walk, March 8, 1976 in Mayapur:

Prabhupada: "Discipline... Disciple means discipline. The word discipline comes from disciple, or disciple comes from discipline. So unless there is discipline, there is no question of disciple. This discipline must... That should be uniform. Otherwise, sisya... sisya, the word sisya, it comes from the root, verb, sas-dhatu. sas. sas means ruling. From this word, sasana. Sasana means government. sastra. sashtra means weapon, and sastra, scripture, and sisya... These things have come from the one root sas-dhatu. So sas-dhatu means ruling under discipline. There is another English word, that "Obedience is the first law of discipline," or something. They say, "Obedience is the first law of discipline"? So I am right? "Obedience is..."? That is the...

Tamala Krsna: Yes, that's more or less what it is.

Prabhupada: No, what is the word, exact. There is an English word. "Obedience is the first law of discipline." So unless there is obedience, there cannot be any discipline. And unless there is discipline, there is no question of disciple. DISCIPLE MEANS ONE WHO FOLLOWS DISCIPLINE."

Discipline comes from Srila Prabhupada. We are actually being disciplined by Srila Prabhupada. It is Srila Prabhupada who has given us the regulative principles of no meat, fish or eggs; no intoxication (including tea and coffee), no illicit sex, and no gambling. It is Srila Prabhupada who has made it a regulative principle for us to chant sixteen rounds on the beads HARE KRSNA HARE KRSNA KRSNA KRSNA HARE HARE /HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE.

Srila Prabhupada's books contain all the instructions, the guidance required for us to get ourselves out of the clutches of the modes of material nature. In fact, Srila Prabhupada is personally present as his books.

The Guru HOAX: they were CONDITIONED souls NOT acarya hence NO ORDER:

Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, Bombay, April 22, 1977:

Prabhupada: What is the use of producing some rascal guru?

Tamala Krsna: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it's clear fact that we are all conditioned souls, so we cannot be guru. Maybe one day it may be possible...

Prabhupada: Hm.

Tamala Krsna: ...but not now.

Prabhupada: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall SAY, "Now you become ACARYA. You become authorized." I am waiting for that. You become all acarya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.

Note: Guru MUST be on Uttama Adhikari stage. But aside from that he needs an ORDER from his Guru to be ACARYA.

Srila Prabhupada Conversation, May 28, 1977, Vrindavan:

Prabhupada: "WHEN I order, "You become guru," he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That's it."

“When I order” -- NO ORDER WAS GIVEN on the contrary the ONLY instruction that followed TWO months AFTER was as per 9th July 1977, that they were to act in the capacity of Ritvik Representative of Acarya and the disciples initiated would be Srila Prabhupada’s, NOT theirs.

Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Bhagavad-gita, October 28, 1975, Nairobi:

Prabhupada: "Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ORDERED by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru."

Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Nectar of Devotion, October 31. 1972

"Self-made guru cannot be guru. HE MUST BE AUTHORIZED BY THE BONA FIDE GURU.

Note: As we can clearly see from Tamal Krishna’s earlier comment in April 1977, “Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it's clear fact that we are ALL CONDITIONED souls, so we CANNOT be guru. ”

BUT just AFTER 7 months in NOVEMBER, the departure of Srila Prabhupada, he was deceitful, he CHEATED, thus began the Guru HOAX in ISKCON.

Discussion of Ritviks

[From Padmagarbha das] Dear Gopta,

Thank you for your kind and 'sentimental' letter. I too am quite 'sentimental', I even often tear up in sentimental movies. Only when it comes to the philosophy of Krsna consciousness, and specifically the words and teachings of Srila Prabhupada, as well as loyalty to Srila Prabhupada, I fanatically try to avoid sentimentality!

You feeling 'unworthy' and unqualified in weighing-in on the matter of Patita Pavan, Bhakta dasa and others who are rejecting SP's orders due to you not practicing strictly, is a reflection of your feelings of guilt as well as your humility. However, there is an ocean of difference between weakness and cheating, as stated perfectly by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja:

"Cheating and weakness are two separate things. Persons devoid of a cheating propensity achieve perfection in life, but a cheater is never successful. Vaisnavism is another name for simplicity. Cheaters are non-devotees. Sincere persons can be weak, but they are not cheaters. Cheaters say something but do something else. Weak people are embarrassed by their defects, whereas cheaters are maddened by their achievements. I will cheat the acharya,I will deceive the doctor,I will nourish the poisonous snake of my sinful propensity with banana and milk, hiding him in the hole of my cheating propensity, and I will demand name and fame from the people while posing as a saint [a senior devotee].

These are not symptoms of weakness but of utter deceitfulness. Such cheaters will never achieve any good. By hearing humbly from saints with a sincere attitude, however, one will gradually attain auspiciousness. After accepting tridandi-sannyasa if one remains busy with worldly activities, thinking that family life is more important than spiritual life or maintaining the sinful mentality of kidnapping Sita from Rama [stealing SP's disciples] as Ravana did even while dressed as a devotee, then one is a self-killer. We are far from the worship of Hari. Even if we have weakness and have enough anarthas to last us for millions of years, we are not as misfortunate as if we possessed a cheating propensity. It is better to take birth as animals or birds than to take shelter of cheating."

Gopta, by rejecting SP's orders [final] on the issue of Guru Tattva the leaders of iskcon AND their enablers are not only cheating the unsuspecting newcomers, but they are cheating the entire universe out of being able to take shelter at SP's lotus feet! 

[PADA: Correct. People like Patita Pavan das, Bhakta das, the Gaudiya Matha folks etc., they are enabling the GBC's gurus to continue with their cheating, by promoting these cheaters as gurus.] 

Had they kept SP at the center of this movement, most likely tens of millions of jivas would have taken shelter of this movement by now.  Srila Prabhupada stated, "if the leaders follow strictly [his instructions], this movement will spread like wildfire." It is most disheartening and most offensive for Patita [and others] to reject, and to contradict SP's clear and well documented instructions on the ritvik-arrangement by quoting one of SP's godbrothers. 

Toronto, 9 Nov. 1975

"My dear Visvakarma das,

Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated September 3, 1975 with the enclosed statement about Van Maharaja. So I have now issued orders that ALL my disciples should avoid ALL of my God brothers. They should not have ANY dealings with them nor even correspondence, nor should they give them any of my books or should they purchase any of their books, neither should you visit any of their temples. Please avoid them."

Those 'first generation' Prabhupada disciples who have rejected SP's 'final order', are usually those who are either extremely envious and ambitious, or often those who disobeyed SP's orders not to associate with his devious God brothers.

Bhakta das and Patita's claim that the 'ritviks' are impersonalists and atheists, as well as a cancer on the Sampradaya is a MOST outrageous and a MOST offensive direct attack on Srila Prabhupada.
Actually, what Patita endorses, the present iskcon guru tattva position, THAT is impersonalism and IT is a cancer on the Sampradaya!

The spiritual master and the body that he manifests in this material realm are to be worshiped, to be considered on the same level as the Supreme Lord. Just like red hot iron is considered fire, the body of the "bona fide" spiritual master is considered spiritual.  In several letters SP stated that he IS present in his picture, therefor the worship of his picture, or murti is non-different from worshiping SP directly. 

SP is personally present to accept the worship, to accept the bhoga that is being offered to his pictures.
In all iskcon centers, as well as in the homes of the "disciples" of iskcon's "gurus" arotics and offerings of bhoga are being performed to pictures of conditioned souls.  Those individuals are NOT present in their pictures, they are NOT there to accept the offerings.  All there is on the 'altar', is a piece of paper with pigments on it depicting the material form of a conditioned soul.

A body made of material elements, combined only to resemble the shape of a real person.  The 'material' body is NOT the person! So, I firmly belief that since neither the pictures, nor the actual material bodies of conditioned souls posing as gurus are 'spiritual', are they to be accepted as 'persons' [what to speak of being spiritual masters]. Therefore, such very practice must be considered "idol worship", and that actually is "impersonalism"!  Propogating the belief that conditioned souls [bodies], many of them guilty of behaviors not even acceptable by "karmis", are to be worshiped as good as the Supreme Lord,  THAT I feel is a "cancer on the Sampradaya"!

"One should not become a spiritual master unless he has attained the platform of uttama-adhikari [the highest stage of spiritual realization] " (The Nectar of Instruction, text 5, purport)

"There is no possibility that a first-class devotee will fall down, even though he may mix with non-devotees to preach. Conviction and faith gradually increase to make one an uttama-adhikari, a first-class devotee." (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila 22.71, purport]

"When one has attained the topmost position of maha-bhagavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshipped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY such a person is eligible to occupy the
post of a guru." (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila 24.330, purport)

"It is to be understood that the conditioned soul is tightly tied by the ropes of illusion. [...] Because the bound cannot help the bound, the rescuer must be liberated. Therefore, only Lord Krishna, or His bona fide representative the spiritual master, can release the conditioned soul." (Bhagavad-gita As It Is 7.14, purport, 1972 ed.)

"A bona fide spiritual master is in the disciplic succession from time eternal, and he does not deviate at all from the instructions of the Supreme Lord [...]" Bhagavad-gita As It Is, 4.42, purport)

"A spiritually advanced person who acts with authority, as the spiritual master, speaks as the Supreme Personality of Godhead dictates from within. Thus it is not he that is personally speaking. When a pure devotee or spiritual master speaks, what he says should be accepted as having been directly spoken by the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the parampara system." (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Antya-lila 5.71, purport)

"You are correct when you say that when the Spiritual Master speaks it should be taken that Krishna is speaking. That is a fact. A Spiritual Master must be liberated." (Srila Prabhupada Letter, June 10th, 1969)

".... such an acarya, or spiritual master, should be considered non-different from Krishna, that is, he should be considered the incarnation of Lord Krishna's potency. Such a personality is Krsnalingita-vigraha, that is, he is always embraced by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna [...] He is the guru, or spiritual
master, for the entire world, a devotee on the topmost platform, the maha-bhagavata stage, and a paramahamsa-thakura, a spiritual form only fit to be addressed as paramahamsa or thakura." (Sri Caitanya-
caritamrta, Madhya-lila 25.9, purport)

"Unless one is a resident of Krishna Loka, one cannot be a Spiritual Master. That is the first proposition. A layman cannot be a Spiritual Master, and if he becomes so then he will simply create disturbance [...] So to summarize the whole thing, it is to be understood that a bona fide Spiritual Master is a resident of Krishna Loka." (Srila Prabhupada Letter, June 10th, 1969)

"One should understand the Spiritual Master to be as good as I am, said the Blessed Lord [...] `the Spiritual Master is the sum total of all demigods.  That is, the acarya has been identified with God Himself." (Srila Prabhupada Lecture, February 1936)

"The spiritual master, or acarya, is always situated in the spiritual status of life. Birth, death, old age and disease do not affect him [...] therefore, after the disappearance of an acarya, his body is never burnt to ashes, for it is a spiritual body. The spiritual body is always unaffected by material conditions." (Srimad-Bhagavatam 10.4.20, purport)

"The conclusion is that a spiritual master who is authorized and empowered by Krishna and his own guru should be considered as good as the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself. That is the verdict of
Visvanatha Cakravarti: saksad-dharitvenasa. [...] As Hari is free to act as He likes, the empowered spiritual master is also free. As Hari is not subject to mundane rules and regulations, the spiritual master empowered by Him is also not subject." (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila 10.136, purport)

 "Unless one takes shelter of a bonafide, fully Krsna conscious spiritual master, there is no chance of understanding Krsna... ....Only one who has surrendered to a pure devotee of Krsna can understand Krsna." [SB 7-5-32]

"Unless one is initiated by a bonafide spiritual master, ALL his devotional activities are USELESS. A person who is not properly initiated can again descend into the animal species."  [Madhya Lila 15 . 

"One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is AUTHORIZED by his predecessor spiritual master.  This is called dikshan-vidhana. [SB 4.8.54]

 "A siksa guru [instructing guru or priest] who instructs against the instructions of the spiritual master
 he is not a siksa guru.  He is a demon!  Sometimes the diksa guru [initiating guru] is not present always.  Therefor one can take learning, instructions from an advanced devotee.  That is called siksa-guru.
 But siksa-guru does not mean he is speaking something against the teachings of the diksa-guru.  He is not      a siksa-guru.  He is a rascal.  Because that is offense. Guru avajna, defying the authority of guru.
  This is the first offense.  So, one who is offensive, how can he make advance in chanting?  He cannot make. Then everything is finished,  in the beginning!"  [Bg. 17:1-3, 07-4-74, Hawaii]
 
"Guru cannot be self-made. No. There is NO such single instance throughout the whole vedic literature.
 And nowadays, so many rascals they are becoming guru without any authority. That is NOT guru. You MUST be authorized!" [Bg. 4.2]
 
"As for your next question, can only a pure devotee deliver others, ... anyone if he is a pure devotee he can deliver others, he can become spiritual master.  But unless he is on that platform he should not attempt it.  Then both of them will go to hell, like the blind man leading the blind." [letter to Tusta Krsna dasa, 12-14-72]
 
"Therefore, having a bona fide spiritual master and serving him, and pleasing him, and getting his mercy is essential.  Otherwise there can be NO advancement in Krsna consciousness.  And unless the spiritual master is a pure devotee of Krsna, then he has no potency to give Krsna.  He is simply a cheating rascal!
 
So, in fact, above all the rules and regulations and offenses I have mentioned, the most important thing, the essential thing, which is required, if you want to come to the stage of purely chanting the Hare Krsna mantra,
 is, you MUST have a bonafide spiritual master, who is a pure devotee of Krsna.   Without having a bona fide spiritual master you can chant Hare Krsna forever, but will not be able to advance, because Krsna does
not reveal Himself in this way. He ONLY reveals Himself to those devotees who surrender to, and serve, and please His pure devotee!" [letter to his London disciples, July 1969]
 
"Unless one takes shelter of a bona fide, fully Krsna conscious spiritual master, there is no chance of understanding Krsna.... Only one who has surrendered to a pure devotee of Krsna , and has taken the dust of his lotus feet can understand Krsna..... One must take shelter of a self-realized spiritual master, that is the way to return home, back to Godhead."  [SB 7.5.32  purport]

"It is illegal to become a spiritual master if one is unable to deliver the disciple". [S.B. 28.7]

May 28, 1977, Vrndavan

Satsvarupa Maharaja:"Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, PARTICULAR AT THE TIME WHEN YOU ARE NO LONGER WITH US .  We want to know how initiations would be conducted."

Srila Prabhupada:"Yes, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acarya."  [ 'Officiating' is the performance of a function on behalf of another]

Tamal Krsna Maharaja: "Is that called ritvik-acarya?"

Srila Prabhupada: "Ritvik.  Yes".

Gopta,  the leaders of iskcon, the gbc, the sanyasis, and most of all,  the "gurus", they have rejected outright a multitude of Srila Prabhupada's orders: "The order NOT to change his books; the order to sign the 'Oath of Allegience'; the order not to associate with his God brothers; the order to implement the "DOM"; the order to create self-sufficient farming communities; and most of all the order to continue the "ritvik initiation" process "Henceforth".

Outright rejection of, and even contradicting the orders, the very teachings of ones  spiritual master I belief to the  ultimate act of  "being critical", of "finding fault" with the Acarya. And the following is what Srila Bhaktisiddhanta says of those who engage in such behavior:

"I do not want to see the faces of vile persons who criticize my Gurudeva, or who support those who criticize him. They are the cause of all inauspiciousness."

"May I never see the wicked face of that evil person who maligns [defames] the lotus feet of my Sri Gurudeva, or anyone who countenances [supports, approves] such a slanderer."

So, Gopta, do I want to engage with Patita in a debate on this issue? No, I don't think it would serve any purpose. Even if Srila Prabhupada gave me the intelligence, the right words and arguments to "defeat" Patita, I don't belief he would accept it. It would be like 'casting pearls before swines'.    
    
This subject has been expertly debated and presented for years by prabhus much more qualified than me, and I am sure Patita, Bhakta Dasa, and all the other "enablers" have seen all the evidence,and they have heard all that can be said on this issue. Yet, they won't accept.  "It is simple for the simple, and crooked for the crooked!"

It is ironic, the person Patita quotes, to support his argument, HH Puri Maharaja, not only had he publicly stated that iskcon's gurus are not "qualified" for their posts, but Puri Maharaja also can be heard on one of Siddhanta dasa's "Memory" tapes confirming Srila Prabhupada ordering for"ritviks" to succeed him after his departure.

In the debate on facebook, when confronted with the argument that over forty iskcon "gurus] have already 'fallen down', all Patita came back with is that this does not mean that 'they' are all unqualified. He is hereby proclaiming that Srila Prabhupada set up a system of "transcendental Russian Roulette", whereby the aspiring initiates in iskcon are to select a guru, while keeping their fingers crossed, hoping they chose one who is not going to fall down. Pure insanity, I say!

One of the main arguments of those rejecting the 'ritvik' system of initiations, is that it is "against tradition", that it is not part of our Sampradaya. And that Srila Prabhupada would never 'break' tradition. Never mind that he did, and that the Acarya has the authority to do so!

Instead, those ney-sayers insist that Srila Prabhupada set up a system by which unqualified, conditioned souls, still posessing unspeakable anarthas [pedophelia, homosexual behavior,  whore-mongering, adultery, thieving, lying, and even the murdering of Vaisnavas, including the poisoning of their own spiritual master], that SP wanted such individuals to continue the disciplic succession, to continue being Acaryas in the Sampradaya. Is that the tradion, the behavior of spiritual masters in our, or any Sampradaya?
    
So, if Srila Prabhupada was faced with making some "practical" adjustment in the "tradition" of our Sampradaya, it shouldn't be difficult at all, which one he would choose!
  
I personally was there when Rohini Kumar Swami [one of iskcon's fallen gurus] related being present, in New York, when Srila Prabhupada was asked by a reporter, "who is going to be the next Acarya?" And Rohini Kumara told us that SP's answer was, "After me there won't be another Acarya." Hoping  this finds you in progressing Krsna consciousness, 

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Padmagarbha dasa